broze Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=sakqhatdk5cakt542&w=sj4hqj95dt94cj876&n=st852hk42dqj732c9&e=s9763h8763da86cq3&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=pp2cp2d(semi-pos)p2n(25-7)p3cp3h(%20)p4dp4np6nppp]399|300[/hv] What is this 23 count worth? I thought it was so good I bid it as 25-27 balanced and we ended up in a poor (albeit making) slam. My p and I are frequent upgraders but he (reasonably) thought I was mad. I ran to the K&R for some sympathy and it very kindly informed me that the hand was worth KnR = 26.25, DK = 25. Bad luck, poor judgement or problems elsewhere? Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 You evaluated the strength of your hand as well as you could for no trumps. Your partner should have passed 4NT. He had no more than he said when he bid 4♦, and your reversion to 4NT strongly suggests a 3325 shape or a dead minimum if you have three diamonds. I would have rebid 3♣ on your hand, though, since its actual worth is strongly dependent on the level of fit. I can't help but imagining partner holding ♠Jxxx ♥xx ♦Axx ♣xxxx when you will languish in 3NT when a strong favourite for seven. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 I think treating it as 25-27 is an overbid, perhaps a gross one. I'd want solid clubs, or at least the J for serious upgrades. Ax and Kx tight are both marginal holdings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 I agree with Phil. I'd open 2C and rebid 3C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 not sure what you mean by semi-positive is there a limit (like saya king up to maybe 7 hcp)??? If so it can make a huge difference on what your subsequent bids mean. I agree your hand is worth close to 25 and is very slammish with all those controls. Your p is resulting your bidding due to the misfit in clubs for shame. For some reason the explanations of your bids is hidden on my computer so I am speculating here. Your decision to quant has to be based on the definition of semi positive and w/o further info I cannot specualte if p overbid or thequant was an overbid. You should not evaluate your hand state itand then increase its value based on no positive information. Ingeneral this means ionce you upgrade your hand to say 25 you should not make a quant unless something in the bidding makesyour hand better. nuff said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 My experience with 6332 20+ hands is that the 6 card suit with 3+ honnors is worth 2 extra milton work points when treating the hand as balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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