lycier Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=sat5hakjt9842d5c8&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=2cp2dp4h]133|200[/hv] 这副牌例取自中高级牌手论坛。问题是：出题人认为可以开叫2♣，试问：1-我违背了2♣开叫原则了吗？2-换作你，如何开叫你？ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyp163 Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 2C原则：当你决定用2C时，先找找有没有其更适合的叫品。 只有当绝对需要才这样做。 让应叫人叫牌更简单。我认为：H套足够坚固。2C后，再叫4H可以明确表示牌情：九个赢墩，与成局确实是一步之遥。 请具体看一副牌例，体会一下: http://www.bridgebas...username=zyp163 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 IMO，我是开叫1♥，因为手有五失墩。 不过从BBO论坛上看，大家意见分歧大，一部分是我的观点，一部分人支持开叫2♣. 注：什么是IMO？网络用语，是In my opinion的缩写，意思是：“在我看来”。事实上这个词通常是论坛掐架的开始，它的变体有Imho（In my humble opinion：管见所及），基本意思是："区区在下不才，对这个问题是如此看的，阁下若有高见，尽请说来"的意思。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twcho Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 开叫1♥，开叫2♣除了赢墩外还需要大牌点和防御墩。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lipeng2076 Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 这牌h独立套8.5~9 赢墩，而不是8-8.5赢墩，开1h实在是低开，就开2c，我想同伴也会乐于接受。开2c进程2c-2d-4h很清晰表明牌情，让同伴来选择是否继续前进；开1h，外面的低花分布和28点，多可以再叫，虽然不至于丢局，但是同伴不会想到牌有那么强。比如1h-1s-4h的描述，会不会误解？ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 2♣是至多三失墩的牌情。也有一说是四失墩。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
601821297 Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 这个H套并非坚固套，在缺少一个顶张大牌的前提下怎么没人考虑4C开叫呢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyp163 Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 什么样的套称得上坚固？我把AKXXXXXX八张当做坚因套的。就像经典牌例中把AKQXXX当做坚固套一样如果要100%的坚固,应该是AKQJTXXX AKQJT98 不是吗？我们所谓的坚因套，一般情况下（计算的是多大概率）是坚固的即可. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyp163 Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 风扬说：书上讲，2C开叫人仅需同伴微弱支持即可成局。那就是说九个以上赢张的说法是靠谱的。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlx12225 Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 这么怕丢局么？开叫2C是不会丢局，如果同伴给你叫满贯呢？开叫1H有什么可担心的？下一轮4H。或者有约定叫显示好的高花坚固套开叫也可以。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 大家辛苦了，圣诞快乐http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21574770 Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 这牌是开叫1♥，4♣，2♣都有点相似的牌，又觉得都不怎么完美的牌，最符合叫牌法的开叫还是1♥, 但我会选择开叫2C后再叫4♥,不过我也不想太高兴，定约权落在opp手中也很正常 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 像这类问题，没有标准答案，只有依据个人理解而定。那边论坛的意见也是这样的，有赞同也有不同意的。不过，需要注意的：1-这也几乎接近美国桥协所规定的开叫2♣的最低点力要求。2-开叫强2♣绝对不允许心理叫，这是规则。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haikuo Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 我开叫4C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbcs Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 有4C约定就开叫4C，不然开叫1H，基本上不去开叫标准2C，除非有约定2C-4H（坚固套8-8.5赢墩）那可以使用2C。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 开叫4♣是个不错的选择。风扬举的例子可以开叫4♦，相信也会发展到满贯的。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuhuan Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 我赞成开叫4C，开叫4C表示８或8.5个赢敦，该套可以缺K或Q开叫2C后跳叫4级高花表示8或8.5赢墩的非常坚固套 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yin970902 Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 2c是不合适的，有赢墩也不得少于17P；4C纳米亚茨是合适的；区区12p，pd 弱应叫，很难想象opps 不参与叫牌。一旦参与，应叫人也许会采取错误的行动。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 2c是不合适的，有赢墩也不得少于17P；4C纳米亚茨是合适的；区区12p，pd 弱应叫，很难想象opps 不参与叫牌。一旦参与，应叫人也许会采取错误的行动。 有赢墩也不得少于17P？从未见有此说，很是费解，不知所云。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yin970902 Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 贴主的牌例也许没有违背ACBL的底限；the ridiculous ♠ --- ♥ AKQJ76542 ♦ 85 ♣ 74 is an acceptable 2C opening bid under ACBL regulations.但通常是这样的：General Requirements for an Opening Bid of 2C:A. A strong balanced hand of 22 or more high card points - orB. A strong unbalanced hand with a 6 card suit or longer – and – at least 9 playing tricks– and - at least 4 Quick Tricks in THREE different suits - orC. A hand so strong (24/25+) that it risks being passed out with an opening 1 bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cqwbc Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 我以前看过一本书上写到：开叫2C的快速赢墩数不能低于你的快速输墩数（还是输张数，记不太清楚了哈 :rolleyes: ） Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 其实啊，我是认为这副牌开叫2♣也不算违背开叫原则，只是这牌开叫2♣不是那么理由充分而已。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arter Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 8.5赢墩，哈老师不是提醒大家开4C?IMO 开4C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arter Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 8.5赢墩，哈老师不是提醒大家开4C?IMO 开4C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000ffj Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 我想说的是，同伴间首先要说清楚关于2c开叫的防守能力，我原来倾向于打牌赢墩来确定开叫2c,但是在陌生的pd面前，敌方争叫后，因为同伴对你的花色支持一定不会好（长度和强度都在开叫人手中），同伴多半会选择加倍，希望你罚放，可是你自己是扛不住这个加倍的，往往叫的过高。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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