jillybean Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=saq732hdakcaqj542&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1cp1hp1sp2hp3dp4hd?]133|200[/hv] New partnership, I didn't know how 2♠ would be interpreted, how would you start?Now that I have got myself in this mess, what now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 If partner really has the heart suit he says he has, 4♥x seems like a reasonable place to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 If partner really has the heart suit he says he has, 4♥x seems like a reasonable place to play.You're going to play in 4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 New partnership, I didn't know how 2♠ would be interpreted, how would you start? Are there a lot of meanings, without discussion, apart from natural and game forcing? In any case, I can't say I agree with a non-forcing 1♠ bid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 Are there a lot of meanings, without discussion, apart from natural and game forcing? In any case, I can't say I agree with a non-forcing 1♠ bid!Ah, you haven't played on BBO very often! but now that we are here, I am interested in whatyou would do now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 You're going to play in 4?4 doubled. Hopefully with an overtrick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 You're going to play in 4? It's too late to play in fewer. With a little luck there will be only three losers in the trump suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masse24 Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 Somewhere between 1♠ and 4♥x, I develop a deep trust for partner...and Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 Jilly wants to be in a slam. B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 Reading my auction has put me on tilt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 Reading my auction has put me on tilt. So you rewind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 I pass 4H and expect to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 Who do you trust most? Partner or RHO? Not partner - after all we didn't trust them enough to understand 2♠. But maybe they both have their call. RHO appears to believe he has four tricks versus 4♥, and I certainly have no reason to doubt him holding such massive trump support. Maybe pard has Kxx QJ9xxxx xx x. After all, he knows we have a great hand but do not have five spades. Surely if he trusts us, a jump to 4♥ is reasonable, if not gilt-edged. I bid 4♠, not because I don't trust partner, but because I have made a pigs ear of the auction and it's my job to fix it. Fortunately RHO has tipped his hand, so I hope for a useful card in partner's hand. And since I cound conceivably make a grand slam, yet go off in game if I put this abomination on the table, I vote for action. I could well be wrong, but the argument that partner has good trumps, knows what he is doing, and my aces and kings will help him wrap up an easy doubled game just does not wash! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 after 1♥,I will reverse bid ♠ for twice,don't rebid 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 1♠ is bad. I've been playing with too many pickups where a jump is passed.If you bid 2♠ partner will still bid 4♥ Blackshoe is right, I do want to be in slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 1♠ is bad. I've been playing with too many pickups where a jump is passed. Then it sounds as if you are developing very bad habits, like here choosing a bid that actually can be passed. Don't play with strangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 For me 1S is forcing and 2S would have been a mini splinter. This is common in my part of the world. Playing a style where I open this hand 1C, I would bid 1S. I trust my partner rather than the opponents; this is a philosophy that has served me well over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterGill Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 Partner has not been persistent. Partner's 4H call was a consequence of my 3D call. Partner chose 4H, perhaps by a process of eliminating other bids I might have made (e.g. I could have rebid 4S on my actual hand at my 1st or 2nd call). From partner's trusting (i.e. trusting me) frame of reference, 3D probably implies a top heart, perhaps a bare ace or king. Because I trust partner, I would bid 4S now. I have broken the first of the three essential rules of bidding ("bid your hand"), got lucky because RHO has tipped me off that my partner is trusting my bidding which has been wildly inaccurate, and thus I can bid 4S. Partner might be a bit perplexed by 4S now (why not 4S earlier?). Another possible call is 4NT (to play) but partner will probably not interpret 4NT thus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 I will remember to check for the Laos/Aussie flag.Do you have a forcing opening for this, I see some did open 2C but I don't like that with a 2 suiter. Partner held J4,AT85432,875,K, 6♣ makes when RHO doubles and spades split 3-3 (986,KT5) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 I will remember to check for the Laos/Aussie flag.Do you have a forcing opening for this, I see some did open 2C but I don't like that with a 2 suiter. I fully understand on bbo forums they hate to open 2c with the vast majority of two suiters I will risk 2c on this one. and pass 4h if bidding goes: 2c=2d3c=3h3s=4h (x) pass given OP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 I really do not understand all the passers. I would redouble. If my partner bid JT9xxx this way, I do not care much, he is a pick up and soon an expartner.But besides this: Sorry Kathryn, your bidding did not help your case. I dislike 1 Sapde and 3 Diamond. I had bid 2 spade ov er 1 Heart or at least 3 spade over 2 Heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 I will remember to check for the Laos/Aussie flag.Do you have a forcing opening for this, I see some did open 2C but I don't like that with a 2 suiter. Partner held J4,AT85432,875,K, 6♣ makes when RHO doubles and spades split 3-3 (986,KT5)Were hearts 4-2 or 5-1 ? I'd have redoubled 4♥. I would have opened 1♣, how much are you going to enjoy 2♣-(3/4♥)-P/X-(5/6♥)- or even a massive diamond bounce. People seem to be less aggressive over 1♣ than 2♣. Playing my own methods I have no issue with this hand as I can make a GF over 1♣-1♥ but I think playing standard ish, 1♣-1♥-1♠(don't like it but ...)-2♥(TG partner didn't pass)-3♠ would have shown something massive, shapely and with a lot of black cards and no hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 1♠ is bad. I've been playing with too many pickups where a jump is passed.If you bid 2♠ partner will still bid 4♥ Blackshoe is right, I do want to be in slam. I cannot imagine why 1♣-1♥-2♠ would be passed. On what sort of hand? But in my view of standard bridge, 1♣-1♥-1♠ can be passed. Maybe it won't be passed very often, but it is not forcing. Now if you are serious about wantiung to be in slam I don't get that either. Slam in what? Partner's 2♥ is consistent with KQxxxx and out. After he jumps to 4♥, maybe I give him KQJxxxx(x). I have all of the hearts I have promised, partner has not promised any black cards, he did jump to 4♥, so I pass and hope for the best. Also, you say partner would jump to 4♥ over 1♣-1♥-2♠. Why would he do that? If he thought 2♥ right over 1♠ why would he not think 3♥ right over 2♠? Anyway, I pass 4♥ doubled. I have no reason whatsoever to think I will be improving matters by bidding on. The auction I like begins 1♣-1♥-2♠-3♥-3♠. Now if partner bids 4♥ I have shown my hand, I guess he wants to play in hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=saq732hdakcaqj542&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1cp1hp1sp2hp3dp4hd?]133|200[/hv] I didn't know how 2♠ would be interpreted, how would you start?South1C - 1H2S! = GGG, Gnasher's Gameforce Gadget Since it is GF, neither of you needs any further jumps.Without any special follow-ups, I think you can end up in 4S.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 South1C - 1H2S! = GGG, Gnasher's Gameforce Gadget Since it is GF, neither of you needs any further jumps.Without any special follow-ups, I think you can end up in 4S....We use a different version of this: 1♣-1♥-2N(GF unbal, 90+% of hands respond with an artificial 3♣)-3♥(7+♥)-3♠(no interest in ♥, enormous 4+♠/6+♣)- and now it's likely we'll play somewhere sensible, partner won't bid 4♥ on this type of hand. I don't want to be in a slam particularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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