Fluffy Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sj9862hq83d109c964]133|100|Scoring: MP W - N - E - S1♦ - X -2♦ -psps -2♥ -ps -???[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 It's a GOSH. I might add a 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Dealer: West Vul: N/S Scoring: MP ♠ J9862 ♥ Q83 ♦ 109 ♣ 964 W - N - E - S1♦ - X -2♦ -psps -2♥ -ps -??? I think P shows 16(17 maybe) + points and a 5+ card ♥ suit -- he didn't X again to FORCE me to bid so I PASS :) (I am probably missing something important tho :P ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikos59 Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 I pass 2H.Might bid 2S, though, earlier.Not now, certainly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Partner shows 5+ hearts, 17+ hcp, bid 3H, barely. Pass is OK too. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 pass and bid 3H if they compete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 i give him a raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cf_John0 Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 To late to make any decision! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 I usually play this as forcing for 1 round, so I'll just support him to 3♥. However, I know many people who would bid like this with 15HCP, which is suicide ofcourse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben47 Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 I don't play this auction as forcing but with my great cards for the auction ♥Q, doubleton ♦ I will raise.Partner shows a hand too strong to overcall, i.e. close to a semigameforcing opening bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Here is how I play this.. with five hearts, 4 spades (let's say 4-5-0-4) to keep it simple, I bid hearts first time, and double second time. If I were to double first time for some reason, I would double second time as well, not "discover" my long heart suit. So... the balancing 2♥ shows a had too good to overcall 1♥ on, not one with general support for all the other suits.. what Whereagle called a gosh (good one suited hand). My hand is not great opposite a gosh. Partner probably has two diamonds at most so my doubleton diamond is not of value. My heart queen third is wonderful. But I am going to provide just one trick for my partner, and I have no distribution. If my diamond doubleton was any other, I would raise. I like my hand, and I think we will make 3♥... but if I bid it, we rate to be in four dwon one. It is rather passive, but I will pass here at mp. At imps, I would try for game I guess. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 14, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 The real hand doesn´t really matter, regardless of what you do you will probably end in 3♥ made (althou those who raise directly could had found themselves playing 4, ,it never happened, so we will never know what would partner do). Only 1 guy followed my decision of bidding 2♠, I bid it on the hope o oppoonents bidding 3♦, so I could compete at the 3 level and let partner decide the best contract, and west bid 3♦... but partner doubled 3♦!, wich left me with another problem, It seems obvious that you will give no trick on defence and 1 in offence, so I bid 3♥, actually you were giving partner 2 tricks: ♥Q+♣9 :blink:. [hv=s=saxhakjxxdxxcaq10x]133|100|[/hv] ♣K is onside but stiff, ♠10 is on for them so 3♦ would make with ease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Not that it matters, but with this hand I would overcall 1♥, not double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlPurple Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 I don't play GOSH, I play equal-level correction. I don't like my doubleton diamond - would rather my doubleton were clubs and I had 3 diamonds. Did I have a pre-emptive 3♠ available last round? Though again doubleton is the worst diamond holding I could have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 I don't play GOSH, I play equal-level correction. I don't like my doubleton diamond - would rather my doubleton were clubs and I had 3 diamonds. Did I have a pre-emptive 3♠ available last round? Though again doubleton is the worst diamond holding I could have. Do you really play jump or double jump advances of your parnters takeout double as "preemptive" with any of your parnters? I like the ETM victory way of responding to takeout doubles... Here, a one level bid shows 0-10 points, and four card suit (if they bid, it shows good six to 10). A jump to 2 level shows 5-10 with five card suit (with five, must be KQxxx in suit bid). And a bid to three level shows 11-12. Cue-bid, shows a hand with some 4 card suit and 11 or more (so no jump in new suit), or a strong hand without any other useful bid. If you play a jump as preemptive, please explalin how you handle all the non-preemptive hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlPurple Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 I don't have any partners to agree these things with sadly. Haven't had any for a long time. I'm lots of theory and very little practice, I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Well, Robson/Segal have this simple rule to sort out whether "double + suit" is strong (gosh - good one-suited hand) or mere correction. It's a gosh if it would be a jump overcall of the opening. 1D X 2D pp...2H = gosh: 1D 2H would be a jump overcall 1H X p 2Cp...2D = correction. 1H 2D would not be a jump overcall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlPurple Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 so what would this be: 1♦ X pass 2♣pass 2♥ ? And what should I do with: ♠ KQxx ♥AQJxx ♦ xx ♣ Qx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 so what would this be: 1♦ X pass 2♣pass 2♥ ? And what should I do with: ♠ KQxx ♥AQJxx ♦ xx ♣ Qx What is the auction you showed? You have a two choice. You can play it as a GOSH (I asked you to bid a suit, and then I pulled it, so I must have a great hand). Or you can play it equal level conversion. I follow the Robson/Segal rules that allow you to pull your partners suit with both, using the logic of the being prepared for the most inconvenient response. I refer you to page 203-206 in their book (see dan neill's webpage for a pdf copy). Using the Robson/Segal rules, this would be an equal level conversion (scramble). However, if partner had bid 2♥, then 3♣ by doubler would be gosh. What do I do with the hand you showed? The double and then equal level conversion would work using Robson's Gosh rules. I tend to overcall 1♥ however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 so what would this be:1♦ X pass 2♣pass 2♥ ?Using the Robson/Segal rules, this would be an equal level conversion (scramble). However, if partner had bid 2♥, then 3♣ by doubler would be gosh. Are you sure? In page 206 I see exactly the same sequence labeled as a gosh :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 so what would this be:1♦ X pass 2♣pass 2♥ ?Using the Robson/Segal rules, this would be an equal level conversion (scramble). However, if partner had bid 2♥, then 3♣ by doubler would be gosh. Are you sure? In page 206 I see exactly the same sequence labeled as a gosh :) You are right.. robson does describe this sequence as a gosh... so that is why I bid 1♥ instead of double I guess.... I was trying to remember their rules and forgot the thing about if you could overcall at the one level rule.... :-) Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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