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[dwar0123]

Catholic hospitals refuse treatment for rape victim (German news article from today.)

Well, I don't read German so perhaps I am about to speak out of my ass BUT I am willing to bet that the 'refuse treatment' means refused to supply morning after pills and/or some other form of abortion/pregnancy prevention method.

 

I would be shocked if they actually refused any other type of medical treatment and personally believe that using the phrase 'refuse treatment' for assistance in ending a pregnancy, which isn't generally a medical emergency, is disingenuous at best.

 

If they did refuse to provide emergency care, than shame on them.

[mgoetze]

Well, I don't read German so perhaps I am about to speak out of my ass BUT I am willing to bet that the 'refuse treatment' means refused to supply morning after pills and/or some other form of abortion/pregnancy prevention method.

That too, but they also refused to gather DNA evidence.

[dwar0123]

That too, but they also refused to gather DNA evidence.

That's an odd thing to refuse to do, the rapist must have been of the clergy. Seriously though, why?

[wyman]

As for "truth", I find the analysis and philosophical debates of the Talmud (which used the Torah as a basis, but then argues over the meaning) as much more interesting than the bible itself. They use the bible as a basis to argue the legal implications of "if I find money in the street, can I take it?"

 

As I recall, their conclusion was: yes, but then you have to buy gas for the trip home.

 

edit: for context, I found a hundo on the ground in Chicago when I was there with BunnyGo a few years ago. He explained to me that Talmudic law says that you can take it unless it's coins stacked on the ground, which would indicate someone's intent to return to collect the $. But he tempered this by explaining that talmudic law also says that this means I'm buying gas. :)

[helene_t]

They refused to test if date rape drugs had been used against the victim

[BunnyGo]

As I recall, their conclusion was: yes, but then you have to buy gas for the trip home.

 

Well....that just makes sense.

[wyman]

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[Trinidad]

That's an odd thing to refuse to do, the rapist must have been of the clergy. Seriously though, why?

They refused to test for rape and rape drugs, since if the test would be positive, the victim might decide to take a morning after pill. So, they don't want to tell the victim, but if they do test they will have to tell, so they "simply" refuse to test.

 

Rik

[dwar0123]

They refused to test for rape and rape drugs, since if the test would be positive, the victim might decide to take a morning after pill. So, they don't want to tell the victim, but if they do test they will have to tell, so they "simply" refuse to test.

 

Rik

So they are withholding a vital test to help catch a rapist, which is probably a direct sin under their religion. Based on the possibility that someone else MIGHT commit a sin(in their eye) by getting an abortion?

 

That is like seeing 100 dollars left on the floor of a poor house and then killing everyone in the building so they won't be tempted to commit the sin of stealing it.

[Fluffy]

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I supose this is nothing new, but when I asked a friend from morocco about having multiple wives he said that its unthinkable, normal people don't have enouh money for that.

[kenberg]

They refused to test if date rape drugs had been used against the victim

 

If this statement holds up they should lose their license to practice medicine. It's insane, stupid and indefensible.

[32519]

I can assert with absolute confidence that the anthropomorphic nightmare that 32 worships is the product of some seriously disturbed minds.

The word “worship” does not occur in the Greek in the New Testament. The Greek word is “proskuneo” (NT:4352) and means “homage.” Look up the difference in a dictionary.

[Winstonm]

How would one know what words are or are not in the "new testament" when it is well-known that the new testament is a compilation of books of which nothing but copies of copies of copies of copies remain, not an original text anywhere to be seen, and those copies have thousands of variances among them. That almost all scholars agree that the native tongue of Jesus would have been Aramaic, that the most powerful of the early churches was the one in Rome where Latin presided as the language of choice, makes any argument for the absence or inclusion of a Greek word problematic as a point of contention, does it not?

[Codo]

Catholic hospitals refuse treatment for rape victim (German news article from today.)

 

 

Do you know why this is in the news? Because it happened once, it is not common practice.

And do you know how the church and the managers of the hopsital react? They had been shocked too, apologized and claimed that something went wrong.

[mgoetze]

And do you know how the church and the managers of the hopsital react? They had been shocked too, apologized and claimed that something went wrong.

I guess you read some different news articles than I did.

[jkljkl]

Do you know why this is in the news? Because it happened once, it is not common practice.

And do you know how the church and the managers of the hopsital react? They had been shocked too, apologized and claimed that something went wrong.

 

Did you expect that cardinal Meisner would step up and say that this is in perfect line to his mindset? Coincidence that it happened under this ultraconservative?

 

ciao

stefan

[kenberg]

Do you know why this is in the news? Because it happened once, it is not common practice.

And do you know how the church and the managers of the hopsital react? They had been shocked too, apologized and claimed that something went wrong.

 

I am very glad to hear this but I have to ask: Did someone get fired? "Something went wrong"? "Mistakes were made" is the usual way of ducking responsibility. Usually the mistake, or the thing that went wrong, is that they got found out.

[Fluffy]

Germany is not Spain, but here politicians get caught stealing millions and don't even lose their job, they even get reelected, a kamikaze killed someone for driving his car on the wrong side of a highway, he has been exonerated by the government (links to the government are suspected), however a mother's been sent to prison for buying food&diapers with a credit card she found on the street.

[kenberg]

Germany is not Spain, but here politicians get caught stealing millions and don't even lose their job, they even get reelected, a kamikaze killed someone for driving his car on the wrong side of a highway, he has been exonerated by the government (links to the government are suspected), however a mother's been sent to prison for buying food&diapers with a credit card she found on the street.

 

You and I might well agree that things are a bit screwed up. Here, there, everywhere.

[32519]

Err no, not at all.

 

Most Jews as I understand it simply don't believe the New testament is much to do with the old testament.

 

Something that was written the best part of 4000 years later, and 100 or so years later than the events described in most cases, by the followers of the central character is just not viewed as a reliable historical record let alone anything with any divine significance. Sourcing your "truth" from there is like saying "wolves will dress up as your granny to attack you" by reference to a book of fairy tales to many jews.

There’s a major flaw in your reasoning here. The writings of Flavius Josephus confirm the accuracy of Acts in more ways than you can imagine. The flaw? Acts was written some time during AD 60 – AD 62 as Paul’s affidavit before Emperor Nero during his first Roman imprisonment. Josephus became a Roman defector during the Roman-Jewish war of AD 66 – AD 70. He documented the history of the Jews during/after this war.

 

You can read more here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus

[32519]

How would one know what words are or are not in the "new testament" when it is well-known that the new testament is a compilation of books of which nothing but copies of copies of copies of copies remain, not an original text anywhere to be seen, and those copies have thousands of variances among them. That almost all scholars agree that the native tongue of Jesus would have been Aramaic, that the most powerful of the early churches was the one in Rome where Latin presided as the language of choice, makes any argument for the absence or inclusion of a Greek word problematic as a point of contention, does it not?

A large amount of copies of all the letters written which make up the New Testament have been recovered, sometimes 300 or more. The oldest manuscripts are regarded as the most accurate. But there is also a process of comparing them with each other to determine consistency in the copy process, the majority containing the same text are considered more reliable.

 

The language of the first century was predominantly Greek.

[Codo]

I am very glad to hear this but I have to ask: Did someone get fired? "Something went wrong"? "Mistakes were made" is the usual way of ducking responsibility. Usually the mistake, or the thing that went wrong, is that they got found out.

 

 

The incident had been in december the press release yesterday. SO I hope something will happen.

[Codo]

Did you expect that cardinal Meisner would step up and say that this is in perfect line to his mindset? Coincidence that it happened under this ultraconservative?

 

ciao

stefan

 

I would not claim knowledge of his mindset. I am evangelic ltherian from Hamburg, I do not care about your regional cardinals or your regional politicians, sorry.

 

But I would belive that you will find fundamentalists everywhere and that some of them will support how the doctors reacted.

 

But up to now, nobody claimed that this behaviour was right or according to catholic believes. Or do you know/hear someone?

[Codo]

I guess you read some different news articles than I did.

 

You may google it and find something in the WDR, Münchner Abendzeitung, Fokus, Gerealanzeiger- just to name the first hits I found on facebook...

 

 

 

But maybe in your dayly "Bash the christs" journal they had another view....

[Fluffy]

But I would belive that you will find fundamentalists everywhere and that some of them will support how the doctors reacted.

I have no idea what they did or failed to, but I am no fundamentalist but accept that they can follow their beliefs in their own hospital as long as it is according to the law (maybe it wasn't according to law, then I am just saying nonsense and they should be pursued by law, not by ethics). But then, I am more tolerant that others.

 

I had surgery on 17th december, but before I was taken to the operation room I had to take way my wedding ring, this shocked me because I had planned to stay with it for my whole life, even managed to board 4 planes with it. But it is their hospital and their rules. I just accepted it. I supose this is much less important for you than whatever rape thing (I did't fully understand sorry), but the concept its the same.