sathyab Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 [hv=pc=n&w=sjhk3daqt94cq8742&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=1d1sd3hp3spp]133|200[/hv] 3♥ is mixed raise in support of ♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Is this a hesitation by E problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 It certainly qualifies as an interesting hand for the Reisinger. If it were IMPS we would not be happy bidding their Spade game for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sathyab Posted December 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 It certainly qualifies as an interesting hand for the Reisinger. If it were IMPS we would not be happy bidding their Spade game for them. If bidding 4♣ is wrong you will almost surely hear from your opponents. Going for -300 on part score hands doesn't win you a board too often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 I'm not all that worried about getting doubled. It can happen (especially if they got me with a four card overcall) but that's too pessimistic. We know we have at least one fit and it's usually a nine card fit. And down one doubled is fine anyway. Nor am I worried about them bidding game. I'm not sure what about me bidding now would make them think they were making if they didn't think so a round earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 ... We know we have at least one fit and it's usually a nine card fit ...Three of the most likely shapes are 3-4-3-3, 3-5-3-2, and 3-5-2-3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 I wouldn't. It would be nice if he had three low spades and some minor-suit jacks, but the gappy minor-suits are unattractive, and 3♠ may not make. We might even get a heart ruff against 3S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 Three of the most likely shapes are 3-4-3-3, 3-5-3-2, and 3-5-2-3This is kind of like if I said that I go to work most days in a week, and you replied that can't be right because Saturday and Sunday are two of the most commonly occuring days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 This is kind of like if I said that I go to work most days in a week, and you replied that can't be right because Saturday and Sunday are two of the most commonly occuring days.Except I didn't say "that can't be right", but instead was helping define your usually, such as you said that you usually go to work, and I said what about the weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 You were just helping to define my usually as less than 100%? Thanks :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 You were just helping to define my usually as less than 100%? Thanks :)You're welcome. Sometimes it helps to put things in perspective, as whether "usually" is 60%, 80%, or even 100%. This can help calculate the math in how often bidding 4♣ would be LOTT stupid. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 I'm not all that happy we passed over 3h where a 4c bid would surely showan unbalanced offensively oriented hand (avoiding a possible 3n). I am not going to let the opps steal away with an easy 3s contract when all it takesis maybe xxxx Qxxx x KJxx to give us an easy 4c and a tad more xxxx Axxx x Axxx and we may be looking at 5 (though it is probably too lateto get to 5c unless opps push and p "sacs"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sathyab Posted December 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 I ran a simulation using http://bridge.thomasoandrews.com/deal/ (Thanks gnasher for pointing this to me) The Specs: West has the hand he's dealt. North has 5♠, South 4 or 5. East has 4 or 5♥. North-South have between themselves 19, 20 or 21 HCP, with South having between 5 and 8 HCP. North, East and South all have balanced or semi-balanced hands. I generated 100 hands and started looking at them. I stopped looking after about 20 of them. You didn't need to be a Nate Silver to know that 4♣ was an overwhelming favorite to make or go at most down 1. Even when you catch East with the dreaded 3433 and opponents keep tapping you, you have a play for down 1. And N-S are making 3♠ just about all the time. At the table, I didn't give this too much thought before passing. N-S made 3♠ by playing my hand for ♥K. (this is deal no. 28 in Reisinger SF 1, hand records on-line). There was only one other table where they were allowed to play 3♠ and it wasn't at the OT (: Instructive deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 I would bid 4C the first time in case of the fairly likely scenario that we need to save in 5m. I mean, 1D 1S X 3H p 4S p p ? is not pretty, obviously we would have to pass but I'd feel terrible that I didn't show my clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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