Fluffy Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 ♠xxx♥Kx♦AKQJ10x♣xx all vul 1♦-pass-1♠-pass2♦-pass-3♦-pass?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbenvic Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 One option is to bid 3♥ hoping to get partner to bid 3NT with a ♥ stop. If he bids 3♠ (my fingers are crossed) when he doesn't have a heart card I'll bid 3NT and pray that his 10ish HCP in the blacks are enough to stop them getting enough tricks. The other option is to just bid 3NT and cross my fingers, again. Partner seems to be balanced so this might work. On balance I'm punting 3NT as pards just might bid 4♦ and I'll look stupid (nothing new) for not bidding it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Tough hand. I pass, partly because while we may have plays for game, we can't cater to both games and there is no reason to think that both 3N and 4♠ will make on the same hands. Also, while 3♦ will sometimes fail when 3N is the alternative, and it fails, the 3N will often fail by more undertricks. And when we don't reach game, I'd far rather be in 3♦ than in 4♦. And this really doesn't look like the hand to bid 3♠. I pass, but not happily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 3nt if 3d is more than a courtesy raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewj Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 I would probably bid 3NT...but tbh might pass...would do one of those :P...don't feel massively strongly about which one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 3nt if 3d is more than a courtesy raise.are we playing adjective bridge? You don't get to ask partner about this at the table, and I very much doubt that anyone actually plays a narrow range here, whether invitational or 'courtesy'. All we know is that he didn't bid 2N so whatever he has, it isn't a 10 count with values in both rounded suits. He's catering to our having up to a bad 16 count with an indifferent 6 card suit. We have a far better suit that he was catering to, but a far weaker hand. Indeed, compare this to xxx Kx AQJxxx Kx. The same 13 count but a hand that has improved by knowledge of the diamond support. Our hand hasn't grown up at all on the auction. I'd go further: I'd suggest that xxx Kx AQxxxx Kx would have grown up to be a better hand for 3N than our actual hand, which is, alas, the same as it started, unless one wants to look for 4♠. The more I think about it, the more confident I am that my 1st post, advocating pass, was correct. And I won't change my opinion on learning that on the actual hand, 3N was a winner. However, I will read posts that take issue with my reasoning based on bridge principles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewj Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 You won't have 16 for a 2♦ rebid!?!?! I reckon I would open most flat 14s 1NT too... Not that I necessarily disagree with your pass :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 I hope I at least get to know if we even play courtesy raises? too put it another way ya I thought we are indeed playing adjective bridge adjective such as limit raise. but ya I play pard for a real full inv hand that for some reason could not bid 2nt and bid 3nt. OTOH if 3d is truly random then pass looks easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 are we playing adjective bridge? You don't get to ask partner about this at the table, and I very much doubt that anyone actually plays a narrow range here, whether invitational or 'courtesy'. All we know is that he didn't bid 2N so whatever he has, it isn't a 10 count with values in both rounded suits. He's catering to our having up to a bad 16 count with an indifferent 6 card suit. We have a far better suit that he was catering to, but a far weaker hand. Indeed, compare this to xxx Kx AQJxxx Kx. The same 13 count but a hand that has improved by knowledge of the diamond support. Our hand hasn't grown up at all on the auction. I'd go further: I'd suggest that xxx Kx AQxxxx Kx would have grown up to be a better hand for 3N than our actual hand, which is, alas, the same as it started, unless one wants to look for 4♠. The more I think about it, the more confident I am that my 1st post, advocating pass, was correct. And I won't change my opinion on learning that on the actual hand, 3N was a winner. However, I will read posts that take issue with my reasoning based on bridge principles. Should partner have a higher minimum for his raise when his diamonds are bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 You won't have 16 for a 2♦ rebid!?!?! I reckon I would open most flat 14s 1NT too... Not that I necessarily disagree with your pass :)what do you rebid with say Qx KQ KQxxxx KJx? Note that I said a 'bad' 16 count. I didn't mean an average or slightly below average: I meant a 'bad' one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 One option is to bid 3♥ hoping to get partner to bid 3NT with a ♥ stop.Do you really mean this? 3♥ shows stop for me and shows lack of ♣ stop. I am a simple soul who bids what he's got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Am I the only one who would not rebid 2♦ at match points with this hand?I do not fall in love with minors when playing match points. Rebidding diamonds would be my third choice. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetteriLem Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 what do you rebid with say Qx KQ KQxxxx KJx? Note that I said a 'bad' 16 count. I didn't mean an average or slightly below average: I meant a 'bad' oneThat is not a problem hand. With a real problem hand, I raise a major with 3 cards happily, try to bid 3 card side suit or blame my thoughtless opening bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetteriLem Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 I would probably bid 3nt, because partner invited (possibly the weakeast of all invites in my book) and I clearly have as good cards as I could have. We easily have one suit open, on the other hand we cash ours quickly. I tend to favour that we are quicker, that's why I go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 I'd bid 3NT, but my partner isn't catering for my having a 16-count. I would open 1NT on either xxx Kx AQJxxx Kx or Qx KQ KQxxxx KJx. I understand that the first one isn't to everyone's taste, but I'm surpised that Mike would open 1♦ on the second one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewj Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 what do you rebid with say Qx KQ KQxxxx KJx? Note that I said a 'bad' 16 count. I didn't mean an average or slightly below average: I meant a 'bad' one I would open 1NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 3 NT is it... looks easy. Ok partners hand is AQxx,xxx,xxxx,KJx and they take the first 8 tricks... Sh... It happens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 partner had ♠AJxx♥xx♦xxxx♣AQx 3NT makes as ♣K is onside, also ♠KQ109x onside3♥ leads to 3NT the wrong way for automatic 2 down when 6 hearts are running3♦ makes comfortablyspade contracts are horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 partner had ♠AJxx♥xx♦xxxx♣AQx 3NT makes as ♣K is onside, also ♠KQ109x onside3♥ leads to 3NT the wrong way for automatic 2 down when 6 hearts are running3♦ makes comfortablyspade contracts are horrible. I don't know that we can learn much from this example. For one thing, it seems bizarre that the opps' cards lie as you describe. Can anyone here imagine passing over 1♦ with KQ109x in spades, the heart A and the club K??? Are you certain that you have the layout correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 nopes, they just told me good spades KQ10 willing to lead them, maybe only 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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