lycier Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=s97654h98d642c863&w=skq3hkq7dkjt85ct4&n=st8h642d973cak752&e=saj2hajt53daqcqj9&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=p1dp1hp1np2dp2hp2sp3dp3hp3sp4dp4hppp]399|300[/hv] 使用MTWS(Modified two way stayman的缩写,改进的双路斯台曼)约定叫时,用2d作逼局的牌面大多数是由一手"垃圾"牌面发出的,那么"垃圾"牌面到底有多么"垃圾",东家这副牌面就是! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 请朋友们三思“垃圾”用词的确切含义,大家讨论一下:东家这副19p的牌到底“垃圾”在何处? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sungh Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 书上说,用2d作逼局的一手“垃圾”牌面,尽管牌力可以很强(19P),却没有长套或长套质量不够做逼叫性跳叫。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lipeng2076 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 垃圾到可以开2nt。进程挺有意思的,3d一口否认c的控制东家就可以封局了 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ar5810 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 我理解这牌面的垃圾在于: (a) 1个太一般的5张高套且为5332的均型牌。 (b) 8张大牌中竟有5张为QJ型牌(占7p,无控制张数)且QJ牌太过于分散。 (c) 枉有19p却只有3A=6控制张数。使一门花色(即C)成为无控制数花色。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hejiang Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 “垃圾”在于点力看似强大,但却存在“命门”——♣套无控且♣QJ可能成为刀俎。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 我理解这牌面的垃圾在于: (a) 1个太一般的5张高套且为5332的均型牌。 (b) 8张大牌中竟有5张为QJ型牌(占7p,无控制张数)且QJ牌太过于分散。 (c) 枉有19p却只有3A=6控制张数。使一门花色(即C)成为无控制数花色。理解得真好,分析得透彻,把我心里要说的话都给说了,谢谢。 [hv=pc=n&e=saj2hajt53daqcqj9]133|100[/hv]1-牌型:没有什么好牌形,5332均型。2-5张♥普通花色套:在同伴开叫的前提下,这个♥套长度和强度都不够逼局性跳叫以表达满贯兴趣。3-大牌质量:QJ比重太多,8张大牌5张是QJ型牌,分布分散。4-花色控制: 枉有19p却只有3A=6控制张数。使一门花色(即♣)成为无控制数花色。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qf2000 Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 什么意思?要说明啥呢? :unsure: 俺木有看明白。 :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caiyonglin Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 在2h支持后扣2s可以约定为意大利扣叫起动表示至少有次控制,此后叫2nt表示无二大将牌(KQx/AQx/AKx),3c扣叫表示至少将牌KQ及c次控制,牌例中的3d可以约定为有将牌KQ及至少带dKQ的套但无c次控制。这样约定扣叫3d后,应叫人知道无c控制马上封局叫4h了。应叫人如果有c控制可以扣叫3h表示有大将牌,开叫人可以再扣叫3s,应叫还可以约定叫严肃性3NT(serious3NT)。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caiyonglin Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 表示大牌结构是差牌。不然就跳叫3h表示独立将牌想试探满贯。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 牌型均型,点力分散,控制不全,所以“垃圾”。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuhuan Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 垃圾但逼局————叫2D可以这样理解吗。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sd_bri007 Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=s97654h98d642c863&w=skq3hkq7dkjt85ct4&n=st8h642d973cak752&e=saj2hajt53daqcqj9&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=p1dp1hp1np2dp2hp2sp3dp3hp3sp4dp4hppp]399|300[/hv] 使用MTWS(Modified two way stayman的缩写,改进的双路斯台曼)约定叫时,用2d作逼局的牌面大多数是由一手"垃圾"牌面发出的,那么"垃圾"牌面到底有多么"垃圾",东家这副牌面就是! 垃圾=不是好牌,好牌可以跳叫,可以两种splt,好牌是可以不用2d就能够清晰叫出来的牌,那么其余牌不能够用约定叫快速叫清楚的牌都属于垃圾序列,双方需要通过叫牌继续描述 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted January 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 垃圾=不是好牌,好牌可以跳叫,可以两种splt,好牌是可以不用2d就能够清晰叫出来的牌,那么其余牌不能够用约定叫快速叫清楚的牌都属于垃圾序列,双方需要通过叫牌继续描述 我赞同,这种说法精细到位。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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