Vampyr Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 If they only use it against wk nt, we will switch. Yes, I know we can't do that. Pick an emoticon What's interesting is that in the EBU, you are allowed to change your system when playing against specific pairs. But I guess you can't do that based on their defense to a particular NT range, because you can't change your methods based on their defense. So, unless the EBU regulations contain a huge contradiction, you can switch your range against this pair, as long as they have been pointed out to you in advance, as you suggested. Now this seems that it cannot be right, but I don't see a way out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 Sorry I mentioned it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluejak Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 If you read back through the read, you'll see that I'm not condoning having only once CC, just saying that it's not the major problem some people are making it out to be. It's a minor inconvenience, that's all. If it's more than that to you, you're a curmudgeon, IMO. Having conflicting CC's is a much worse offense. (Like the old joke: a man with one watch knows what time it is, a man with two isn't sure.)Let's get this straight: my partner and I play bridge in a particular way, and you suggest doing so means we are curmudgeons, is that right? I cannot think of anything polite to say about your view. I don't tell you how to play bridge: you think you have the right to tell me. Thanks a bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 If you read back through the read, you'll see that I'm not condoning having only once CC, just saying that it's not the major problem some people are making it out to be. It's a minor inconvenience, that's all. If it's more than that to you, you're a curmudgeon, IMO.It's more than a minor inconvenience to me, because sometimes it adversely affects my score. Consider this example: I'm in third seat at favourable, with a weak hand. Partner and RHO pass. I might preempt, or I might psyche 1NT. If I knew that the opponents were playing artificial doubles of 1NT openings, I would open 1NT. If I knew that the opponents were playing penalty doubles of 1NT openings, I would preempt. The opponents' only convention card is on the other side of the table. How can I find out what I want to know without tipping off the opponents as to what I want to know, and without giving my partner UI? In England there would be a convention card in front of me, or at worse under the bidding box. I might well be able to look at the relevant part of the card unobtrusively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Would the information you need always be on the front of the card? If what you want to know is on the inside or the back, "unobtrusively" kinda goes out the window. B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0rdy Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Would the information you need always be on the front of the card? If what you want to know is on the inside or the back, "unobtrusively" kinda goes out the window. B-) This is what I haven't understood throughout this discussion. Those who believe they can unobtrusively make use of the opponents' CC during the bidding, how/where do you put it? Do you memorise the back and then hook it under a bidding box open at the inside? Keep it on your lap? The only part of the card I think I can unobtrusively read is the carding methods, which is useful because I've never found a way of phrasing the question "What are your carding methods" which produces useful answers from more than one pair in a hundred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Let's get this straight: my partner and I play bridge in a particular way, and you suggest doing so means we are curmudgeons, is that right?No, I think making a mountain out of a molehill means you're a curmudgeon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 <sigh> Take it easy, you two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Would the information you need always be on the front of the card? If what you want to know is on the inside or the back, "unobtrusively" kinda goes out the window. B-)On a good day, at the start of the round I will have glanced at the front of the card to find out their basic system, then turned it over to expose the competitive bidding stuff, and put it somewhere I could see it - in front of me, or on a side table, or on my lap, or wedged under a bidding box with most of the card protruding outwards. I don't always do that, of course, but if I haven't it's my problem. What I mind is somebody making it impossible for me to do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 <sigh> Take it easy, you two.If any two people who were not admins were having this conversation, the thread would have been locked B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 If any two people who were not admins were having this conversation, the thread would have been locked B-)Disagree. Not near the threashhold, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Possible. Doubtful. It hasn't reached that level yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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