jillybean Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=saq8ha9dt2caq6532&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=?]133|200[/hv] What is your usual opening? Does it change if this is the last hand of a TG and you are trailing by 3imp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 my methods of bidding have something to do with my decision toopen 1c rather that 1n. My hand is shaped in a way that makes itbetter if p can become declarer (espcially in NT). Opening 1c andtailoring my bidding around what p does goes a long way towardwhat i hope is "rightsiding" our final contract (which we hope willbe spades or nt). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 1nt if 15-17 1c if 1nt is 14-16, plan is to rebid 2nt not 3c. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 1♣ against passive opponents, (Americans? ;)) 1nt against aggressive ones (Canadians :unsure:) The ugly auctions are when the opps are in 2 of something back to you after pard passes and there are more ugly ones when they come in more easily over 1♣ but at least they are red and I like my defence. I would still go for 1♣ for gszes reasons and our own constructive bidding and knowing or thinking we only need a small swing. If I knew the opp sitting in my seat it's close enough that I might try to pick the opposite of their choice. My usual choice at favourable or unfavourable is 1nt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 This was from a team match last night, trailing 5-8 going into the last board my funky 1nt (swish) opening won the match for us. :) Partner held T4, 8643, QJ987,KT. At the other table the auction went 1♣ (1♠) P (2♠) 3♣ for -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 If I opened 1NT partner would have both black kings and four small diamonds. 1♣. I will bid 2♥ over a 1♠ response and 2NT over a red suit. And if the auction gets competitive, bidding our suit sometimes helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 I am happier treating this hand as 18 balanced than 16 or 17, so 1NT is out. Are you sure it was the 1NT opening that won the match rather than the 3♣ rebid at the other table? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Absolutely! If I hadn't opened this hand 1nt I would feel inclined to take another bid at the 3 level when the opps got into the action. I know it's not a great hand to endorse opening 1nt on all 15-17 hands. I receive some criticism for my off shape nt openings that it was nice to post what I believe was a success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Absolutely! If I hadn't opened this hand 1nt I would feel inclined to take another bid at the 3 level when the opps got into the action. I know it's not a great hand to endorse opening 1nt on all 15-17 hands. I receive some criticism for my off shape nt openings that it was nice to post what I believe was a success. I think he means he could have rebid 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 I think he means he could have rebid 2NT.I wouldn't rebid 2N. You can avoid that problem too, by opening 1nt :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 I think he means he could have rebid 2NT.To me, 2N there would show minors, obviously with longer clubs. I think bidding a natural 2N on this auction caters to a very tiny range of hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 To me, 2N there would show minors, obviously with longer clubs. I think bidding a natural 2N on this auction caters to a very tiny range of hands. Well, the 46 hand is a narrow range as well. Personally, I only play the 46 gadget as an overcaller. I like 2NT as natural (and guaranteeing long clubs) - I can't help it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Well, the 46 hand is a narrow range as well. Personally, I only play the 46 gadget as an overcaller. I like 2NT as natural - I can't help it.If I only included 46, I'd be more inclined to agree with you. However, some 5=6 or 5=7 hands are worth opening 1♣ but not, opposite a passing partner, worth 3♦. This only broadens the range modestly, but it does broaden it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 This hand is too good for 1N. 1♣--> 2N for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 This hand is too good for 1N. 1♣--> 2N for me.Hi Phil, why do you upgrade this hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Don't open 1NT if game has play opposite ♠xxx ♥xxx ♦xxx ♣9xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 You realise that on a S lead you are cold for 3NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Hi Phil, why do you upgrade this hand?You have AQ to six plus AQx/Ax on the side! Aces are worth more than 4. Supported queens are good and not worth downgrading. A good six card suit is a huge feature. Why would you not upgrade this hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 1C. It does not matter that im 3 behind, this just means, we only need a minor swing,e.g. a partial swing / make or go down in a game contract, nothing exceptionnally,i.e. I am not going crazy. 1C gives me the most room to see, what happens. With kind regaardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Hi, you won the match, in the end it does not matter, what was the tipping point. It may well be, that the 1NT opening made it harder fro them to localize therespade fit.It may well be, that the opener on the other table did expect to find a partner hand this strong to remain silent after 1S overcall, and was bidding partners cards for him, he guessed wrong. Incidently, it seems 2Sx goes down -???, at least -1, so 1C may have won the match,if you either remainded silent (AQx in their suit is a warning sign) or if you would have find the guts to go for blood ..., going for blood could be justified, if you want to create swings due to the state of match.But you could only try go for blood, if partner made some noise. On a more general node: Ask yourself, why you want to make offshape 1NT openings. The main reason to do is, a sensible 2nd bid, with the given hand, you have a goodrebid, that tells partner nearly everything about your hand (16-18HCP, 6 good clubs, no 4 card side suit).1NT tells partner 15-17HCP, balanced shape, 4 card majors are possible. Another reason, you want to generate some action, you know, they have problems competingover a strong NT opening, you lack partnership agreements to have a reasonable chance to find out, if 6C is on or not.Those reasons are also valid reasons to go for a 1NT opening bid. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Hi Phil, why do you upgrade this hand? Playing a 15-17 1N, my 'normal' range holding a 6 card suit, or any good five card suit is more like 14-16. See Zel's comment regarding specifics of why this is even too good for that. I was watching KFay in the Swiss, and he upgraded KQx Kx xx AKQxxx to TWO NT. I'm not sure I agree with this evaluation, but you see the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 I voted to open 1 ♣ in both instances. But the more I look at the hand, the more I can see 1 NT as a very reasonable alternative. When you open 1 ♣ and plan to rebid 3 ♣, you imply a pretty good ♣ suit -- certainly something that can stand playing 3 ♣ if pard has a nondescript singleton. But here the ♣ spots aren't very good. You're pretty sure to lose at least 2 tricks and maybe 3 whenever ♣s break 4-2. So a ♣ partial may not be all that attractive vs 1 NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 I voted to open 1 ♣ in both instances. But the more I look at the hand, the more I can see 1 NT as a very reasonable alternative. 1nt is more attractive to me at favourable or unfavourable vul to stifle competition and/or bring pard into the mix. Doesn't always work out but what does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 I am not smart enough to know the exact (3 IMP) state of the match going into the last board. Apparently the others aren't either. We have voted the same way for both polls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 I'm sure we are all smart enough to look at the score during a BBO TG and know exactly how many imp we are leading or trailing by.The reason I added the second part to the question is that it was suggested that the only reason to open 1nt on this hand was because you were losing in a TG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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