bridgeboy Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 You Hold: T94AKT8564J72 imps, Vul against not Partner deals and open 1D , RHO overcalls 1S, your bid? Sorry if this question is too elementary :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 x, 2h is close if playing NFB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 I can't vote, since I play NFB and I would over-call 2H which is not forcing. If my pd insists no on NFB, dbl is the choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 This is actually not at all an elementary qiestion. Even playing negative free bids, this hand is not quite good enough to bid a nf 2H - its is close. Double is best regardless of what method you play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 since 2h is forcing i see, i'm limited to double... ron might be correct that x is best anyway, but i'd still bid nf 2h if i could Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Pfff, if 2♥ is forcing, then I'll just Dbl... Otherwise 2♥ NF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
civill Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Genarally,2H should be free response after opp's competitive.Now it's forcing,I can only pass,'cause of no support.I can wait for PD's rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 X too ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 IF 2♥ HAS to be forcing I vote for double :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 I had an e-mail about this hand the other day, only the minor suits were reversed, and I was a passed hand. Then I bid 2H. But as a non-passed hand, and with only minimal support for partner's suit, I can only double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 As a matter of interest, I would like the nfb 2H bidders what their range for this bid is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 As a matter of interest, I would like the nfb 2H bidders what their range for this bid is. Hi Ron, I didnt' bid 2♥ on this hand becasue that nfb is not standard. But, playing equality, I have three ways to show ♥ after the 1♠ overcall. I can bid 2♣ which shows 4+ hearts, and a balanced or semi-balanced hand. Forcing to 2♦. I can bid 2♦ to show 5+ hearts, and forcing, but only to 2♥. I can bid 2♥ which is negative free bid. But in my case, the bidding can die in 2♥ after the 2♦ 5+ showing bid, and it can die in some other low level contracts as well. So 2♦ transfer is not game force. This stretches the range of the "forcing" 2♦ so the negative free bid can be lighter than normal. On some auctions (such as this one), we give up the natural raise to two of a minor. But we still have several ways to raise the first minor (fit jumps to three level, cue-bid, 2NT - ultra weak raise or game forcing, preemptive jump raise, and showing a balanced hand pattern then supporting.). I thought I would miss the direct raise to two of a minor, but so far, so good. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 I prefer NFB to be a six card suit and around 7-11 HCP but could be less. We can open very junky hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 OK. Nice agreements Ben.Reason I posed my question was that imo this hand is, (a little), below my requirements for a nfb. I would like a 6th H or an extra Q. I don't regard is as so "obvious" a bid as some do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 a 'normal' nfb is between 5 and 11 hcp, usually, with 5+ pcs... at the 2 level it would be 7/8-11 or shapely... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Jimmy, I would expect 1S (2C) 2Hto show xxAQJxxxQxxxx or xxAQJxxKxxxxx Else it is too hard for opener, and a courtesy raise may well put you into an unmakeable 3 level contract to lose 5 imps. Similarly what if next hand raises? How is opener to judge whether to bid game or not in a sequence such as1C (1S) 2H (3S) if you have such a wide range; so to Frederick's "Pfff", I say "Double Pfff". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbreath Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Hi ..the player on your left is probably going to bid 2s if he got 13 cards ..so if you pass it wont get easier :angry: So y gotta bid ..probably X unless y play Ben/Misho's excellent Eq stuff. Rgds Dog B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Martin I would X on the hand to show 4/5 H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Martin I would X on the hand to show 4/5 H. If you play NFB, you can't dbl. dbl then what would you do in the next round? 3H which is better than direct 2H? pass which hides your AKTxx ♥ forever? The purpose to play NFB is to be able to bid this kind of hand (close to minimum) freely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 "If you play NFB, you can't dbl. dbl then what would you do in the next round?" Huh? I fail to find any logic in the quoted comment. Next round after what? I do play nfb, and I do X with this hand. If partner makes a minimum bid I pass or correct 2C to 2D. Even if he bids 2H I am not raising on a 9, (count them), loser hand. The "purpose" of a nfb, or any bid for that matter, is to give partner some indication of your holdings. Bidding 2H is an overstatement of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 playing nfb doesn't mean you can't double this hand... a double is simply a normal, every day negative double or a game force somewhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Double is clear now. If playing NFB (I play 7-11) I would bid 2♥ because the suit is so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 playing nfb doesn't mean you can't double this hand... a double is simply a normal, every day negative double or a game force somewhere... OK. I didn't make it clear. I meant w/ nfb, you can't dbl AND bid 2/3H later. if you dbled, ♥ would be hidden forever unless pd has 4 ♥s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 yes, almost... if (playing nfb) you double and then bid an independent suit (say hearts), it is a game force... for example 1s (2c) x (p) 2s (p) 3h - the 3h bid is a game force and shows, most often, 5+ pcs.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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