flytoox Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 sitting south you holdS: AT6432H: J9D: 52C: K92 W N E S1D 2C P ?? DO YOU1) raise pd to 3C2) bid 2S. 3) 2D shows good raise. TIA. Hongjun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Close. 2S. You're unlikely to make 5C, but might make 4S if partner has a max with 3 spades. 3C is reasonable. I think 2D is a bit of an overbid. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 That's why I play transfer advances :D 2♥ to show ♠s, and support ♣ to show an invitational hand with ♠s and ♣ support... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 I'm with Free on this one. Not playing transfer advances I'd bid 2S, non-forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
civill Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Dont like by an expert poster at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Dont like by an expert poster at all. Welcome to the Bridge Base Forum (BBF). Just so you know, "expert poster" is only someone who has posted a lot of times. A forum newbie is a beginner poster here. A newbie might easily be a better bridge player than anyone else posting here, and an "expert poster" might be a total idiot when it comes to bridge. "Expert poster" only refers to the number of post in this forum, and is not an inditcation of bridge skill, one way or the other. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted December 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Dont like by an expert poster at all. Dear Civil, I would appreciate if you can lecture on this question rather than make some brutal claim. Thanks. Hongjun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted December 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 That's why I play transfer advances :) 2♥ to show ♠s, and support ♣ to show an invitational hand with ♠s and ♣ support... Transfer doesnot solve every question, suppose you transfer 2H to 2S, LHO bid 4D. What should pd do and what would you do if it is passed over to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 That's why I play transfer advances :) 2♥ to show ♠s, and support ♣ to show an invitational hand with ♠s and ♣ support... Transfer doesnot solve every question, suppose you transfer 2H to 2S, LHO bid 4D. What should pd do and what would you do if it is passed over to you? I'll just bounce that question back: what happens if you bid 2♠ and LHO bids 4♦? What should partner do and what would you do if it's passed over to you? Come on, what's the difference?? :) Maybe you should think before asking silly useless questions. This has nothing to do with transfers anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted December 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 That's why I play transfer advances :) 2♥ to show ♠s, and support ♣ to show an invitational hand with ♠s and ♣ support... Transfer doesnot solve every question, suppose you transfer 2H to 2S, LHO bid 4D. What should pd do and what would you do if it is passed over to you? I'll just bounce that question back: what happens if you bid 2♠ and LHO bids 4♦? What should partner do and what would you do if it's passed over to you? Come on, what's the difference?? :) Maybe you should think before asking silly useless questions. This has nothing to do with transfers anyway... hehe, did I say I bid 2S? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 I think id bid 2sp.Am i the only one who consider passing ? especially NF ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 I think id bid 2sp.Am i the only one who consider passing ? especially NF ?i don't think pass is reasonable, you have three card support and some values, so even if you are in a very pessimistic mood you should bid 3c at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 I think id bid 2sp.Am i the only one who consider passing ? especially NF ?i don't think pass is reasonable, you have three card support and some values, so even if you are in a very pessimistic mood you should bid 3c at least. I guess you're right, im an unerbidder in my soul, also a mp player who sometimes play with not very good players and prefer to see plus scores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Lots of reasons to try 2♠; we have a partial club fit, and I want to get the suit in before the storm of heart bids happens (if it happens at all). The 6th spade partially mitigates the suit quality. Good hand for NF 2♠ call. I go back and forth on this btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Agree with Phil's well said comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 2S..whether forcing or not...doesnt matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 That's why I play transfer advances :D 2♥ to show ♠s, and support ♣ to show an invitational hand with ♠s and ♣ support... Transfer doesnot solve every question, suppose you transfer 2H to 2S, LHO bid 4D. What should pd do and what would you do if it is passed over to you? I'll just bounce that question back: what happens if you bid 2♠ and LHO bids 4♦? What should partner do and what would you do if it's passed over to you? Come on, what's the difference?? :) Maybe you should think before asking silly useless questions. This has nothing to do with transfers anyway... hehe, did I say I bid 2S? No B) But if you pass, bid 2♠ or bid 3♣ (or whatever else you bid), and opps bid 4♦, then you're still in the same situation imo, except that partner doesn't know anything about ♠s if you pass or bid 3♣... :P Imo you just can't ignore the ♠ suit, weither you bid it in transfer or natural, and the problems you get later on are exactly the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 2♠, with 5 card suit it would be closer, I think I would bid 2♠ anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted December 14, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 suppose you raised pd to 3C, as I did here. The auction continues: Vul.: NSDealer: W W N E S1D 2C P 3C4D 4H(1) 5D ??(2) (1) What is pd doing?(2) What do you bid now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 1) Pard seems to have a 6-4 or something like that.2) Double. Where are their tricks coming from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 suppose you raised pd to 3C, as I did here. The auction continues: W N E S1D 2C P 3C4D 4H(1) 5D ??(2) (1) What is pd doing?(2) What do you bid now? What is 4♥? I am going to assume 4♥ was a slam try rather than an offer to play hearts. What do I bid now? You didn't give the vulnerability nor the type of game (imps, matchpoint, rubber, bam), which might be important here for some hands but not this one. I have a good club fit, I have an ACE of spades, and even my J9 doubleton in hearts might be useful. I am not prepared to say let's defend or let's bid slam, but I am prepared to cooperate. The ideal solution here is the forcing pass, and clearly after 4♥, whatever the conditions of contest, PASS must be forcing. Partner will know that I am willing to bid on or willing to defend, so he can look at his hand and decide. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 4♥ probably isn't a slam try. It shows a hand that is going to bid 5♣, with a concentration of values. Pard is transferring captaincy to you for the upcoming decision over 5♦. 6♣ sould be a make, or a cheap save. Lo and behold, the opponents press on. Now double is 100% clear. You have a defensive trick in partner's non-suit, no help in partner's side suit and only 3 trump. Expect -2 or -3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 4♥ probably isn't a slam try. It shows a hand that is going to bid 5♣, with a concentration of values. Pard is transferring captaincy to you for the upcoming decision over 5♦. 6♣ sould be a make, or a cheap save. Lo and behold, the opponents press on. Now double is 100% clear. You have a defensive trick in partner's non-suit, no help in partner's side suit and only 3 trump. Expect -2 or -3. "4♥" Probably isn't a slam try.... so double.... Hmm... if 4♥ wasn't a slam try, I wonder what partner will do over 5♦ when I make a forcing pass. Oh, I know, he will double. If 4♥ WAS a slam try, I wonder what he will do over our "captaincy" based double? Oh, I know he will pass. I am not willing to play 4♥ only as show my stuff bid. The reason why is partner will not be showing 5+hearts as he didn't use michaels... to me this is at least mildly slam invite.. AFTER ALL (if we defend) I WILL NOT BE ON LEAD SO IT CAN:T BE A LEAD DIRECTOR IF you assume you know what your partner is doing, you had better be right if you double. Let's give partner a few choice hands.... ♠Kx ♥AQxx ♦x ♣AQJxxx With opener in front of him, 6♣ should roll home on ♥ hook... If you double opposite this, your partner will pass... if you make a forcing pass, partenr will bid slam. ♠xx ♥AKx ♦xx ♣AQxxxx Partner is going to wack five diamonds, but even if he passes, you do ok, as you were never making even 5♣. ♠Kx ♥KQTx ♦x ♣AJxxxx Your partner is going to double 5♦ over your forcing pass and pass your double. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Ben, you may be right, but we all know in practice pard will have some lousy 6-4 :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Ben, you may be right, but we all know in practice pard will have some lousy 6-4 :) If partner has some lousy 6-4 (everyone really should play raptor where this isn't possible.. but I understand).. then he will double, and they will go down a few. Or if he had some REALLY LOUSY 6-4 he can pass...and they still go down because one because of my spade ace, but hey, +50 versus +100 for double, no big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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