Sjoerds Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Why didn't South alert 3♦? If 2♦ is systemically Michaels, 3♦ is presumably artificial and therefore alertable in Scotland.Good question..after an alert for 3♦ "pick your best major" the UI is changing places. Like to see North's hand too :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 And yet we still ask them — repeatedly — to provide a complete claim statement. B-)Yes, we do. But when they fail to do so, we don't throw common sense out the window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Yes, we do. But when they fail to do so, we don't throw common sense out the window.To what "common sense" are you referring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 To what "common sense" are you referring?Looking at the poster's location and using this as a reasonable guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 I don't see what "common sense" has to do with the location of a person of whom we are asking that they provide a complete line of play statement when they claim. Or are you talking about using the poster's stated location as a reasonable guess as to what alert (or other, I guess) regulations are in force? If so, then I guess the point is that the two situations are different. Regulations are one thing, but it doesn't matter where a person is, Law 68C is the same everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 I got lost regarding which side of the analogy we were in. The "common sense" in incomplete claims is that when declarer faces his hand, and we can all see that he has all winners (or he's already started a cross-ruff and it's obvious that he intends to complete it), he doesn't need to make any statement at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 That's generally fair enough, so long as there's no "normal" line that might fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 And how do we know what's "normal" versus "irrational"? There's no objective, mathematical definition -- we use common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 (edited) Not every definition has to be mathematical, but okay, whatever. :D From the Oxford American Dictionary: word trends: The exclamation whatever is disliked intensely by many for the attitude of indifference and contempt it conveys. Popularized by the affluent Valley Girls of 1980s California, whatever has grown in use as a powerfully dismissive way to end a conversation ever since: "Whatever," he said and pulled his hood up and swaggered off. It can also be used to imply disagreement with a preceding statement ( They are telling me it's about time I earned my own money. Whatever!) or disbelief ( We found out later that she was casting for a major motion picture, and we were all like "Oh, yeah, whatever!"), and is even used as shorthand for everything seen to be wrong with the modern world, embodying apathy and refusal to accept responsibility: the board will probably brush this off, and say, "Hey, whatever!". Edited November 25, 2012 by blackshoe I've got to stop using "whatever" this way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 It was just a very rough analogy, not meant to be exact in every way. Sheesh. We'd like posters to include jurisdiction ~ we'd like players to give complete claim statements In both cases, if they don't we can often do better than just guess. "Common sense" is the term I use for the way we fill in the missing information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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