My natural domain

[Lord Molyb]

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Club game, IMPs. The redouble is asking west to escape to his next best suit.

West leads a trump and you win with the queen while east follows with the 4. You lead the king of spades to West's ace and he returns a spade, which you ruff in dummy. You lead a low trump from dummy and east shows out. What do you do now?

 

And yes, east redoubled with a singleton diamond. This is a club game. -_-

[Fluffy]

could be the first time ever that someone bids 6 times and the bidding ends in 2♦ without breaking the laws.

[petterb]

Passing 2♣ is ridicolous. KQJT96 is not a biddable suit?

[Lord Molyb]

Passing 2♣ is ridicolous. KQJT96 is not a biddable suit?

West has 5 of them and South is nearly garunteed to have a void based on his bidding.

And please keep in mind that these aren't my bids.

 

could be the first time ever that someone bids 6 times and the bidding ends in 2♦ without breaking the laws.

I could make it 1♠ if I adjust the suits :D

 

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:P

[PhilKing]

I play the ♥K at trick two. I'm not ashamed to settle for nine tricks.

[Zelandakh]

Passing 2♣ is ridicolous. KQJT96 is not a biddable suit?

I thought bidding 2♣ was ridiculous too. What does everyone think 2♣ shows here?

[the hog]

I would certainly have bid 2H. So opener has 5? I don't care if he has 6, I will still bet on making my contract on this bidding.

[gszes]

Noone mentioned this but would an immediate 2h bid over 1s show

a hand similar to xxx KQJT9x xxx x??? while a delayed 2h (over 2c)

would show a hand similar to the hand given (game interest)?? or

is there insufficient difference btn these two hand types to use 2 bids

to describe them?

 

The play agree with PhilKing

[Phil]

I've made two fundamental errors in the play at T1 and T2. Partner made one in the bidding.

 

Now that I'm here I will ruff in dummy and play the ♥K.

[Zelandakh]

Noone mentioned this but would an immediate 2h bid over 1s show

a hand similar to xxx KQJT9x xxx x??? while a delayed 2h (over 2c)

would show a hand similar to the hand given (game interest)??

I think passing 1♠ shows either interest in playing 1♠X opposite a normal takeout double or extras. This is why I am raising the question as to what 2♣ means.

[Jinksy]

Does that mean after the initial passed out double, N's pass is forcing?

[Finch]

I won trick 1 in dummy and played the HK at trick 2.

 

p.s. I would have bid 2H as North over 1S.

[rhm]

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Club game, IMPs. The redouble is asking west to escape to his next best suit.

West leads a trump and you win with the queen while east follows with the 4.....

Somehow this seems to be a strange club.

The strange bidding suggests that North is declarer, but apparently West leads out of turn and South is playing the hand????

 

Rainer Herrmann

[Zelandakh]

Does that mean after the initial passed out double, N's pass is forcing?

This is another very good question and I am sad that none of the better players are addressing it. When partner shows values and 3 suits, and I show values and the 4th, and they are running to one of partner's suits then it feels like we really want to be able to maximise the chances to penalise them, even at the 1 level. Perhaps we can try asking Frances what the difference for her would be between 2♥ after 1♠ and passing followed by removing partner's double to 2♥?

 

ie

1♥ - P - P - X;

P - P - XX - P;

1♠ - 2♥

 

versus

 

1♥ - P - P - X;

P - P - XX - P;

1♠ - P - P - X;

P - 2♥

 

I am interested to hear all opinions and ideas for this though.

[Jinksy]

I was discussing this with a couple of regular Ps recently (none of us as good as the theorists on this forum though), and it felt to me like if both partners have made a positive noise, one of them suggesting penalties (typically after auctions like 1a X XX), pass must be forcing, since we’re pretty confident it’s our contract, but that on auctions like this, where one person has made a competitive takeout double and the other, having to do something, has chosen to pass, the situation is quite different.

 

Occasionally partner will be passing with a hand so horrible he expects them to make, but expects to take even more damage by pulling and getting doubled. More often he’ll pass with a hand where he doesn’t really know what’s going to happen, but that has no better denomination to play in than theirs, so he just hopes for the best.

 

In either case if they rescue us from the auction, it seems like we want to be able to stay rescued, especially after auctions like this one, where opener have a monster, and doubler might be protecting on fairly shapely junk out of an aversion to leaving them in 1 of a suit.

[PhilKing]

FWIW I don't play any of these auctions as forcing.

[Codo]

I doubt that pass should be forcing. You may hold just hearts and nothing else. Sometimes it is best to let them play in a possible extrem misfit situation.

And with a hand with significant extras, both partners are able to describe their hand usually anyway.

[Jinksy]

I doubt that pass should be forcing. You may hold just hearts and nothing else. Sometimes it is best to let them play in a possible extrem misfit situation.

And with a hand with significant extras, both partners are able to describe their hand usually anyway.

 

The argument would be that if they're in that situation you should be hunting penalties, and a forcing pass would no doubt help with that.

[PhilKing]

The argument would be that if they're in that situation you should be hunting penalties, and a forcing pass would no doubt help with that.

 

I don't agree it really helps. Say all you had was hearts and maybe one outside card. You pass the next bid round to partner, who doubles. If your pass was forcing, he has to double more often - amost every time he has four. But if pass is non-forcing you know he means it.

 

And if you have hearts and plenty of outside stuff, you can just double yourself.