pigpenz Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 enjoy playing in these, but would like to make a suggestionthe people who play in these have no idea what their convention card is even thoughthey can click it on and see what it is. I would think maybe it might be good to do like you do with the robotswhere you can click to see what a bid is or make an announcement other than you are playing 2/1you are playing the GIB 2/1 card and can click on the buttons to see what the card is it will eliminate the 1NT 2♣ pass when partner means clubs not a single suited handor what your bids may mean over interference where you can hover over the buttons to see what your bid shouldbe. games are ok, but they are more than a crap shoot but hey what canyou say they are free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunemPard Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 I stopped playing in those after a British novice bid a 12 HCP 1NT as my partner...We agreed to play 2/1, yet it seems her profile overrides this... Not to mention the endless series of 1♠-1N where you are left wondering if your advanced partner is playing it forcing or not. Just because a tournament is free...does not mean you should not have an enjoyable game. And honestly...sitting there guessing what your pards bid, let alone system, is not so fun. So yes...I support having the 2/1 full disclosure used during these tournaments. I have no clue why it isn't used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Probably the "express" part is the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Just because the software shows what a bid means doesn't mean the player will follow it, although I suppose it can't hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 There's got to be a way to figuratively grab some of the players by the shoulders, shake them, and inform them that they cannot play Precision in these tournaments. And the people who don't play transfers are another story... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldPlayr Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 I suggested in another topic that there be a paid version of the express tournaments. I think that this would eliminate many of the novice "free" players that one comes across in the free express tournaments. I rather like the opportunity to play short tournaments with real people, rather than robots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 I rather like the opportunity to play short tournaments with real people, rather than robots.Maybe we should have speedball indies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Maybe we should have speedball indies?Isn't that what EFAF is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Isn't that what EFAF is?No, because EFAF is free, speedballs would charge. OldPlayr seems to be suggesting that charging would keep out people who don't know what they're doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 In the same way that "people who don't know what they're doing" don't play in the $0.25 robot games? Dream on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 It obviously won't weed them all out (nothing will), but maybe it will improve things a bit. My impression was that OldPlayr would play in the pay indies, but he said he wants a "short" tournament -- something as quick as EFAF. That seems to suggest pay indy speedball. On the other hand, when random partners do stupid things to you in a free game, you feel less annoyed than if you'd had to pay for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 As you can see from Rain's post #7 in this thread:http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/42519-express-free-automated-fun/there used to be both Free Express and Pay Express. The Pay ones awarded BBO masterpoints. No one played in the Pay ones, so they were discontinued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldPlayr Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Clearly, making a tournament pay vs. free will not eliminate bad players. It will, however, reduce the number of "drop-in" players who come thinking that they can learn the game by just entering free tournaments. I'd rather play in a pay tournament with 3 or 4 decent players, than in one with 80 drop-in beginners. I certainly prefer that to always being forced to play with robots and use their bidding system. Unfortunately, suggestions made to this forum seem to always be met with negative responses and resistance to change or new ideas. "tried that", or "nobody wants that". Makes me consider why I bother... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 If we tried it before and it didn't work, what makes you think it would be better if we tried again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Of course, if BBO had a rating system, they could have some Express games restricted to players at or above a particular level/rating, which might be nice. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted November 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 so i assume that since the card that is postd on the bottom of the register page is GIB 2/1 that is what people are supposed to be playing. where things really get grey is what are the bids against 1NTI keep thinking we are playing GIB cappelletti but my partners all play naturalluckily so far there have been no 4NT calls to find out that my partners play 0314 and I am playing 1430 I was just thinking since the message that appears in the chat window says all players agree to play 2/1there could be a an http link to the gib cc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I don't think it will help. You can tell people what they're supposed to play until you're blue in the face, that won't make them follow it. When they only have 30 seconds per bid, they're not going to check the CC. The best suggestion I've seen is to make it work like robot tourneys, where the meaning of a bid pops up when you hover over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted November 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 I don't think it will help. You can tell people what they're supposed to play until you're blue in the face, that won't make them follow it. When they only have 30 seconds per bid, they're not going to check the CC. The best suggestion I've seen is to make it work like robot tourneys, where the meaning of a bid pops up when you hover over it.yes that would be even better but I have noticed playing with an ipad in these events you see the meaning of the bids after the fact but I dont think you can check what your bid is before hand even when your partner is a robot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 yes that would be even better but I have noticed playing with an ipad in these events you see the meaning of the bids after the fact but I dont think you can check what your bid is before hand even when your partner is a robot Yes you can see the meaning of a bid on ipad, before making that bid. Put finger on the intended bid, read explanation, then slide finger off the bidding box if it's not what you wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Make sure to slide your finger up or down, though, or it will take you to the results or ask you if you're sure you want to leave the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted November 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 what version of the bots are used in these games?was playing one this morning where bot was 5-5 in ♠and ♦human opened 2NT and bot bid 3♥human bid 3NT and bot bid 4♥, which I would take as 5-5 in majorsnot what it actually had. so maybe the bots are just bad bidders in the free automated express games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) [hv=lin=pn|pigpenz,bunijean,listner,~~M57001|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2S47JH346JDJAC238Q%2CS36KAH28QAD8QC9TA%2CSTH579KD57TKC567K%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%204%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7C2N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7C]360|270[/hv]If explanations were provided, 3N would be explained as a super-acceptance of the xfer to spades, and 4♥ would be explained as a re-transfer, saying "partner, please bid 4♠ so we can proceed with this auction (or end it)." Edited November 30, 2012 by Bbradley62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 The bots are the same advanced bots as are used in robot tournaments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted December 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 The bots are the same advanced bots as are used in robot tournaments.Yes but no explanations were providedPeepz in these game dont even play cc provided so how can they know what gib plays when gib is only subbing, maybe even real players should be able to see what their bids mean before they make them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 I agreed in #17 that it would be best if it worked like robot tourneys. Although I expect most players won't check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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