Flem72 Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Can't figure out how to search efficiently for the sequence 1D-1S/2C-hearts and its variants, so I'll ask: Is there a thread? Alternatively, how do people playing 4thSF handle all the ranges for responding hands with at 5+S-4+H? Does it make a difference in a structure where 2C is forcing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Can't figure out how to search efficiently for the sequence 1D-1S/2C-hearts and its variants, so I'll ask: Is there a thread? Alternatively, how do people playing 4thSF handle all the ranges for responding hands with at 5+S-4+H? Does it make a difference in a structure where 2C is forcing? You can bid 2♥ then 3♥ with game forcing and hearts. You can bid 3♥ over 2♣ with invitation with both majors 5/5 (some would play this has a different meaning). You can bid 2nt natural invitational skipping the 4 card heart suit since partner can bid 3♥ over that if he's 0=4=5=4 or 1=4=4=4 and couldn't reverse, and he can still show 3 spades with 3♠ too over 2nt (assuming he's like 3=1=5=4 or something). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flem72 Posted November 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 You can bid 2♥ then 3♥ with game forcing and hearts. You can bid 3♥ over 2♣ with invitation with both majors 5/5 (some would play this has a different meaning). You can bid 2nt natural invitational skipping the 4 card heart suit since partner can bid 3♥ over that if he's 0=4=5=4 or 1=4=4=4 and couldn't reverse, and he can still show 3 spades with 3♠ too over 2nt (assuming he's like 3=1=5=4 or something). Yes. I'm more worried about the Reverse Flannery Response hands (b/c I don't think partner will go for RFR). Responder will have to take a minor preference with many hands on which that action will be extremely distasteful, and can't pass 2C (in our structure, could be a jump shift strength hand). U-m-m-m, I think partner will have to listen seriously to RFR.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 You could play1♦ - 1♠; 2♣2♦ = weak with both majors or weak with spades or weak with minor support or any GF2M = nat, invitational2NT = nat, invitational3m = nat, invitational but it does mean forcing to 3♦ on poor hands. Presumably this is not a big issue for you since you already forcing to 3♣. After the 2♦ rebid, Opener bids as if partner has a weak hand with both majors. If Responder has the weak hand wanting to play in 3m after a 2M response then they bid 2NT Lebensohl-style. Higher rebids show the game-forcing hand type. I cannot see any other (easy) way of fitting in everything you seem to require within the OP conditions. Reverse Flannery would probably be a good idea. You might also consider unloading the sequence by playing an unbalanced diamond opening, freeing up 1NT and 2NT rebids for some of these hands. Edit: also, another plug for the ETM Gadget which can also be used in this auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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