mike777 Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Bridge World double Do you find Double confusing as a bid? So does the December 2012 Bridge World ---- Carol Sanders a wonderful player passed on.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Can you explain to a Bridge World non-subscriber?- I thought "double" was not a bid- Carol is deceased, or failed to bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Yeah, mike777. I agree with the BW this time. I think language has failed to keep up with meaning. They have a point - standard terms no longer reflect what meanings are in context. This makes describing agreements and treatments less than clear. I also think the Takeout, Cooperative-Takeout, Cooperative-Penalty, Penalty classifications proposed are a step in the right direction. How many doubles can you name? Penalty, takeout, cooperative, cards/Balance of Power, responsive, maximal, negative, rose, thrump, positive, stripe-tailed ape, support, Lightener, bust(negative response to partner's 2♣ opener), invitational (5-7 HCP after partner's precision 1♣), lead directing, Ace showing, Rosenkranz, Snapdragon, unbid suit lead request (double of a splinter), find my ace partner, matchpoint, speculative, slam, ... Just clearing up how we talk about the first 5 on that list makes sense to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 - Carol is deceased, or failed to bid? Hard to say as the comment in the OP makes no grammatical sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Yeah, mike777. I agree with the BW this time. I think language has failed to keep up with meaning. They have a point - standard terms no longer reflect what meanings are in context. This makes describing agreements and treatments less than clear. I also think the Takeout, Cooperative-Takeout, Cooperative-Penalty, Penalty classifications proposed are a step in the right direction. How many doubles can you name? Penalty, takeout, cooperative, cards/Balance of Power, responsive, maximal, negative, rose, thrump, positive, stripe-tailed ape, support, Lightener, bust(negative response to partner's 2♣ opener), invitational (5-7 HCP after partner's precision 1♣), lead directing, Ace showing, Rosenkranz, Snapdragon, unbid suit lead request (double of a splinter), find my ace partner, matchpoint, speculative, slam, ... Just clearing up how we talk about the first 5 on that list makes sense to me... Nice list :P 'Stolen bid'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Back in the day Edgar often commented on most of these as the "ubiquitous" double. Since I don't know what that means I call them a transfer of responsibility designed to win the post-mortem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Nice list :P 'Stolen bid'? a.k.a. Rose Double - and right to the point! :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlRitner Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 My favorite newer one- DSI - Do Something Intelligent double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Inadmissible, out of turn, Watson, transfer, DOPI, showing a half-stop, suggesting a sacrifice, Stayman (ok this is a form of Stolen Bid), Negative/Positive Slam. The list is almost endless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 I read my editorial last night, and I think this is a much-needed move. Cooperative-takeout is my favorite. There are many situations where we double in a low level auction that is takeout by definition, but we would love it if partner passed. These are generally in no fit auctions, or auctions where we both know partner cannot have a huge stack. This is different from a 'pure' takeout double that could contain a void. I think an important category that isn't included are the balance-of-power, or ownership doubles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 a.k.a. Rose Double - and right to the point! :blink: Never utter R*** Double in these forums again, thanks. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 a.k.a. Rose Double - and right to the point! :blink:What's a Rose Double? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 a.k.a. Rose Double - and right to the point! :blink: Is this maybe an American thing? Something to do with the annual Rose Bowl? Any team that has won the Rose Bowl back to back in two consecutive years is known as the Rose Double? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 I read my editorial last night, and I think this is a much-needed move. Cooperative-takeout is my favorite. There are many situations where we double in a low level auction that is takeout by definition, but we would love it if partner passed. These are generally in no fit auctions, or auctions where we both know partner cannot have a huge stack. This is different from a 'pure' takeout double that could contain a void. I think an important category that isn't included are the balance-of-power, or ownership doubles.Phil, I am pretty sure that Cooperative Penalty and Cooperative Take-out are both forms of BoP doubles - Colchamiro talks about how context frames penalty and takeout BoP interpretations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Never utter R*** Double in these forums again, thanks. :)NP Phil! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 What's a Rose Double?Follow this link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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