whereagles Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 I expect pard to have something like QJxxxKQxxxxKx or AQxxxxKQxxx--xx opposite which I'm not going to give pard the opportunity to pass a 3H invitation :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 I expect pard to have something like QJxxxKQxxxxKx or AQxxxxKQxxx--xx opposite which I'm not going to give pard the opportunity to pass a 3H invitation :rolleyes: do u really think pd will pass ur invitation with the 2nd hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 I don't know. Depends who partner is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 I expect pard to have something like QJxxxKQxxxxKx or AQxxxxKQxxx--xx opposite which I'm not going to give pard the opportunity to pass a 3H invitation :rolleyes: Opposite the second of these hands, you need 2-2 ♥ or EAST wtih three to Axx to make, With the first hand, you have a better chance to make, even if you lose two hearts. But if you are going to invent hands, why not... ♠AQJTx ♥Qxxxx ♦xx ♣K.. .you can lose 3♥ and a club and a diamond, or♠AJxxxx♥AQxx♦Kx♣x, or♠QJxxx♥AQxxx♦x♣QJ, or♠AQJxxx♥Axxx♦xx♣A or♠QJTxxx♥AQxx♦Kx♣x where they double you, and get 2♦ruff, ♣A, ♠A, and 2♥ with KJx behind him. Somehow, blind guessing, EVEN VULNERABLE AT IMPs, is just that. Most of the hands where 4♥ will make, parnter will bid 4♥, and all the hands where 4♥ will be crushed, often doubled, partner will pass 3♥. A leap to 4♥ may work out, there are some hands partner will not go to game on, that will make (these usually require good splits in ♥ however, which maynot be happening on this hand. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Hum.. I would actually double on most of those hands (some have 12 cards only, btw :rolleyes:), except perhaps the ♠QJxxx ♥AQxxx ♦x ♣QJ one. But then again, if pard's style is such that he balances 2♥ on hands like the ones you showed, then there is obviously a case for a simple 3♥. If pard balances 2♥ more on hands like the ones I showed, 4♥ is probably a fair bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 I don't think doubling with a singleton or doubletion club (an unbid suit) would be to my liking on any of the hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junyi_zhu Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Why am I the only one voting for 3♦? For me it is the stronger invitation to 4♥ than 3♥, and so exactly the middle-ground between the popular options of 3♥ and 4♥. What does everyone think would 3♦ mean? Arend As I mentioned in the other post, 3♦ is natural. Marshall Miles mentioned this in one of the Southern Cal Bridge News columns a number of years ago. He was adamant that 3♦ should be natural and most of the others agreed.I don't really think this 3D being natural is a good treatment. If you play this 3D being natural, is it forcing? If it's forcing, why don't you just bid 3NT instead? You think you may belong to 5D? Give me a break. If you don't play this 3D as forcing, you still can bid 2NT over 2H, which also suggests penalty oriented long diamonds. So 3D really should be a cuebid unless you really like to play 3D here as nonforcing, which makes some sense, but it's very rare, and you still can play 3D if you bid 2NT and your smart partner bids 3D to play:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 All In all I am saying that even in the best case scenario (no D void), the hand is worth 8 hcp and not more (as it would if AJTxx were in OUR suit). I believe this warrants a single raise but no more :-) well it wouldn't surprise me if 3h is the best bid this time, but my reason for disagreeing has nothing to do with 8 points vs. 9 points... i still think the hand itself is worth 3 or 4 tricks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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