flytoox Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Haven't been here for a while. This is a board I played last week and I think it is an interesting one to discuss. Playing 2/1， you sit south and are dealt the following hand [hv=pc=n&s=sa82hq2d5432ca832]133|100[/hv] Pd opened 1H, you responded with 1N, pd bid 2H. Now what do you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) 3H, even if one of those black eights was the 7 :rolleyes: We save the "impossible 2S" for hands which started out as a 3-card limit raise. Others might not include 3-card heart raises in their 1NT response and would have different agreements for the impossible 2S. Edited November 15, 2012 by aguahombre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 I would raise too, 2 ♠ if this was discussed, 3 ♥ if not. This hand looks like an invitation opposite an opening with 6 hearts. Not more, not less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Put me down for 3NT. Partner can pull with extra shape or slow side cards since he should play us for this kind of hand, but most of the time I just expect to rack up an easy 400. And sometimes when 3NT goes down, 3♥ fails as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Put me down for 3NT. Partner can pull with extra shape or slow side cards since he should play us for this kind of hand, but most of the time I just expect to rack up an easy 400. And sometimes when 3NT goes down, 3♥ fails as well. Good argument, but partner can also try 3N over 3♥ which rates to right more often when partner has a better sense of my hand type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 Hmmmm...I've got 3 strong cover cards (In and out valuation)Partner has 7 losers at worst.These are the limit raise hands that bid 4♥ opposite partner's 2♥ rebid and make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted November 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 What would 2S mean if discussed? Should it be this kind of raise, or showing minors? Do you know this kind of convention? I would raise too, 2 ♠ if this was discussed, 3 ♥ if not. This hand looks like an invitation opposite an opening with 6 hearts. Not more, not less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 I am horrible bad in guessing what the majority does, but here I would bet that "minors" is by far the most used meaning for 2 ♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 What would 2S mean if discussed? Should it be this kind of raise, or showing minors? Do you know this kind of convention? I believe genius (er, BBF) standard plays 1♥ - 1N2♥ - 2♠ as minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 Haven't been here for a while. This is a board I played last week and I think it is an interesting one to discuss. Playing 2/1， you sit south and are dealt the following hand [hv=pc=n&s=sa82hq2d5432ca832]133|100[/hv] Pd opened 1H, you responded with 1N, pd bid 2H. Now what do you do?Fred G suggested a "souped up" version of the impossible Spade where 2NT! then asks Responder to clarify . His example involved a 2D rebid by Opener :1H - 1NT!2D - 2S! You can play that 2S means either : 1) a strong diamond raise or 2) a good 3C bid. If responder has a lesser hand with long clubs, he bids 3C directly over 2D. After 2S! :2NT! ( asks ) - ?? - 3C = good Club hand ( direct 3C over 2D would be a lesser hand ) - 3D = strong Diam raise- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - For the given problem I suggest :1H - 1NTF2H - 2S! = various hands2NT! = asks for clarification - ?? - 3C = both minors- 3H = doubleton ♥ limit raise [ The 3 card limit raise would be a direct 3H over 2H ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 I would just bid 3H, anything else just seems like an overbid. 3N might hit a home run but it seems absurd unless we open very sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 I would just bid 3H, anything else just seems like an overbid. 3N might hit a home run but it seems absurd unless we open very sound. Tight is right. I ran a few hands which worked for my style (2M opening 8-11), but not so well for the looser standard style, even though I just envisage xx AKxxxx xxx Kx. One thing that surprises me is the lack of support for 2NT ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 I think it depends on the strength range of opener's 2♥ rebid. For me it is a max 14 hcp, so I pass. If it could be stronger, then I think 3♥ is called for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 I think it depends on the strength range of opener's 2♥ rebid. For me it is a max 14 hcp, so I pass. If it could be stronger, then I think 3♥ is called for.It probably cannot be more than 14 in HCP, but I trust partner to look at the nature of her HCP and decide whether to pass, bid 3NT, or bid 4H. We also only have 10 HCP, but WOW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 I am horrible bad in guessing what the majority does, but here I would bet that "minors" is by far the most used meaning for 2 ♠. Yes, 2S here as 5/5 minors is a very common treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 I bid 3♥ to invite the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 I bid 3♥ to invite the game. 寻找自己的错误才是学习桥牌的唯一进步方法。 Off topic: I plead ignorance.... What are all of those "little boxes" with numbers/letters in them ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 寻找自己的错误才是学习桥牌的唯一进步方法。 Off topic: I plead ignorance.... What are all of those "little boxes" with numbers/letters in them ?I don't see boxes in either the original post or yours, I see chinese/japanese characters. Pasting them into LibreOffice shows it to be "WenQuanYi Micro Hei" font. I guess the answer is simply that you do not have this font on your pc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 One thing that surprises me is the lack of support for 2NT ...2NT is weird with such a suit-oriented hand and lack of diamond stopper. I think 3♥ is clear, but if we are going to bid game it is almost certainly 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 2NT is weird with such a suit-oriented hand and lack of diamond stopper. I think 3♥ is clear, but if we are going to bid game it is almost certainly 4♥. Why ever would we need a diamond stopper? I don't see how this a suit-oriented hand. It's not as if we are ruffing anything, and no trumps will often make the same number of tricks as hearts. We need very little from partner to make 3NT, but 4♥ is a different matter. If partner is 6322 no trumps is highly likely to be our best chance for game, and if partner is more distribution, he should insist on hearts anyway unless he has the AK of hearts. Sure, partner can bid 3NT over 3♥, but they are never doing so with Kxx AKJxxx Qxx x - they will bid Four Hearts and probably go one off, and they will often pass when we have nine on top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 I play that 2S is either a two-card heart raise or 4-5 either way in the minors, invitational. Partner puppets with 2NT and we complete the description. Instead, 2NT is either both minors or a good 3-card heart raise. Partner assumes the former, and we correct with the latter. That releases 3H to be a poor 3-card heart raise, not as poor as pass. 3C and 3D are non-forcing of course. So I would bid 2S. Doesn't everyone play this way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Doesn't everyone play this way?Yeh, we probably do, but decided to add controversy to the thread by saying we do differently. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 :P Yeh, we probably do, but decided to add controversy to the thread by saying we do differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 This is pd's hand.[hv=pc=n&n=skt3hakj965dkc975]133|100[/hv] At the table I bid 3N and made it. But I am not sure 3N is right bid. If we play 2/1 with solid opening style, then here I think 2S as a kind of game try is a nice choice. A furthere question is should 2S show minors or this kind of hand. Lamford's post looks we can have both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Accidentally found this thread. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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