billw55 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Straightforward choice. IMP pairs, white on red, you hold ♠ x♥ AKTxxxxx♦ Ax♣ Ax Fourth seat after three passes, you choose ... ? Does this belong in N/B forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I voted for 1H and "no". I guess you worry the opps will find their spade fit, but they likely don't have game so you can always outbid them. The problem with opening 4H is if partner has a flat 10-count with three tricks (eg ♣KQJ10x) he will not bid 6, where he might if we start with 1H and go to 3NT or 4H next. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Voted 4H and no. I don't want to be guessing after 1H (1S) P (4S). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Voted 4H and no. I don't want to be guessing after 1H (1S) P (4S). You noticed the vulnerability, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 You noticed the vulnerability, right? I did, and while I concede that this is be the worst vulnerability for this choice (in fact I almost commented to that effect), I *still* am not happy on the auction I gave. I guess it's obvious to rip it, but I'm not at all confident that we're not ringing up a -990 (or at least -790) here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Question: If you play a 4th seat 2♥ as say 10-13 with 6 hearts, what is a 4th seat 3♥ ? I'd quite like to use it as this type of hand, but have never discussed it with any of my partners. As an alternative, you could consider opening 3♣ in 4th seat with a hand you'd open 4♣ normally, and use 4♣ as this sort of hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 The opponents have both passed and we have a good hand. Why are we already assuming they will bid 4♠? Partner can have spades too. I vote 1♥ and yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 The opponents have both passed and we have a good hand. Why are we already assuming they will bid 4♠? Partner can have spades too. I vote 1♥ and yes.Indeed he might. Let's imagine the auction goes: p - p - p - 1♥p - 1♠ - p - ? Now I assume you rebid 4♥? - and that it shows a strong hand like this one. Whereas an opening 4♥ would be a more intermediate hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I think it's too strong for 1♥; I would try 2♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Indeed he might. Let's imagine the auction goes: p - p - p - 1♥p - 1♠ - p - ? Now I assume you rebid 4♥? - and that it shows a strong hand like this one. Whereas an opening 4♥ would be a more intermediate hand?You could and that's a lot better than opening 4♥ but I think it's still too easy to miss slam. Usually rebidding 4♥ is taking more of a chance, not a really strong hand with hopes of slam. KQx of a minor and a doubleton heart is slam. I would rebid 3♣, sorry to offend so many of you, then bid hearts forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Game in our hand. Check. Good suit. Check. Great controls. Check. Slam opposite very little. Check. No sensible rebid after 1♥. Check. Two Clubs! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 2♣ for me too. Slam isn't likely but you can kiss it goodbye after 4♥. 2♣ also preempts their spades much better than 1♥ anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiros Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Voted 4H and no. I don't want to be guessing after 1H (1S) P (4S). What guessing? Hearts are going to be trumps, unless partner doubles in front of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 What guessing? Hearts are going to be trumps, unless partner doubles in front of me.You really think partner is doubling with xxx, void, Q10xxxx, QJxx where you could easily have 4 or 5 tricks in spades but only 8 or 9 in hearts ? and anyway, you have to bid 5♥ before you know whether partner is doubling in the 1♥-1♠-P-4♠ scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunemPard Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Opening this hand 2♣ is a very interesting idea...but I only really consider this if we are playing control replies. Maybe partner will get a chance to bid higher than 2NT with 4 controls. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 I open 2♣ without doubt. My philosophy is holding game values going down rather than resting comfortably in part score with overtricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 2C is revolting. 4H is revolting. 1H is automatic. (I could JUST about live with 2H strong and forcing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted November 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 When I left yesterday, there were no votes or comments for 2♣, which surprised me a little. When dummy can lay down a yarboro with two hearts, and game is a big favorite, or when a single king makes it near cold, I expected 2♣ to get some love. When I played this, I chose 4♥, passed out of course. My partner laid down what I consider an opening hand, I claimed 12 tricks, and partner booted me for preempting. I didn't think it was *that* bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Partner does never hold a yarb. That would leave opps with 25 HCPS, at least one had opened. :) And if you bid 4 ♥ in fourth seat, it is no preempt, it is describtive, so partner with his 3 tricks may well make a slam try.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 And if you bid 4 ♥ in fourth seat, it is no preempt, it is describtive, so partner with his 3 tricks may well make a slam try....I hope he doesn't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Partner clearly moves with ♠Qxxx ♥xx ♦KQxx ♣Jxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Partner clearly moves with ♠Qxxx ♥xx ♦KQxx ♣Jxx. This example is not good, no opening distigguish this hand from another without ♦Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 This example is not good, no opening distigguish this hand from another without ♦Q. Well, I admit 2♣ does not ask for the ♦Q but the auction should work out imo, but it depends on whether you play good continuations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 This example is not good, no opening distigguish this hand from another without ♦Q. 2♣ - 2♦2♥* - 2♠**3♥ - 4♦4♠ - 5♦... Should get you there. Its even easier if you make the sensible inversion of 3♣ and 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 2♣ - 2♦2♥* - 2♠**3♥ - 4♦4♠ - 5♦... Should get you there. Its even easier if you make the sensible inversion of 3♣ and 3♥. Well I had in mind: 2♣-2♦(promising 5+)2♥-2NT3♥(sets hearts but non-solid)-3♠ (no ace, not worst hand, so denies singleton small heart)4♣-4♦(king)4NT(spade cue)-5♦(queen)6♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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