MickyB Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 1D-P-3C-3HP-P-?? 1D = nat unbal or any 11-13 NT (without a 5cM)3C = natural invitational What would you expect bids to mean if this came up at the table? It feels like the situation would be identical playing RM Precision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 x for penalties? 3C is a pretty specific bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 3S 4-7 or three cards? 3N nat or 4-6 minors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Double asks for a heart stop. 3♠ is natural and more suit-oriented than double. 3NT is to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I'm not sure why you need any agreements for a situation where you are not really likely to bid, having supposedly shown your hand already. By my meta agreements, double is penalties. Although you can't have a stack, you could have shortage in partner's suit and hard cards - ♠xxx ♥Axx ♦x ♣AQT9xx (call it 82% on the penalty scale where 100 equals never pull). 3NT is also natural, albeit obviously a punt based on your failure to show a game-forcing one-suiter - ♠xx ♥QJx ♦xx ♣AKJTxx. 3♠ is the only one not covered, so it's natural as well - ♠JTxx ♥x ♦x ♣AKJxxxx. Scary. I do feel like I am the only one answering for what responder's bids mean. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I was 3046, felt like if pard couldn't make a pen dbl I wanted to back in. Obviously bidding 3C on the first round can go wrong when pard is unbal but I couldn't see any sensible alternatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I was 3046, felt like if pard couldn't make a pen dbl I wanted to back in. Obviously bidding 3C on the first round can go wrong when pard is unbal but I couldn't see any sensible alternatives. I don't think you can sensibly make an IJS on that shape, since it can work badly when he is balanced as well. Best to stretch with 2C imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I don't think you can sensibly make an IJS on that shape, since it can work badly when he is balanced as well. Best to stretch with 2C imo. You really think my systemic bid with GF clubs is 2C? B-) My hand was only xxx - JTxx AKJxxx, so 3C already a slight stretch. 1NT felt bad and I thought 3C might keep the hearts out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 You really think my systemic bid with GF clubs is 2C? B-) My hand was only xxx - JTxx AKJxxx, so 3C already a slight stretch. 1NT felt bad and I thought 3C might keep the hearts out. My partner would have ♠Ax ♥Qxxx ♦AKxxxx ♣x and would pass 3C making 7. Overbidding with a major suit void is rarely terrible. If we get too high, often the opponents can make something. Who knows how many hearts they could be making? Bidding 2♣ may not be entirely sound, but your hand has huge potential. The auction will often become competitive and 3♣, as we saw, is literally a leap into the unknown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I do feel like I am the only one answering for what responder's bids mean.There's something in what you say. Now that I know what the sequences we're talking about, I think that:dbl = Something like 31363♠ = DNE. If they weren't worth bidding before they're not worth bidding now either.3NT = Natural, like Phil's example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I asked a top class but v.conservative player [guess who?] about 3NT and he quoted me xx Kx xx AKJxxxx, certainly made me feel like I didn't have my 3C bid initially :P We play 1D:2D as WJS in hearts or GF unbal with clubs, could've led to a fun auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 We play 1D:2D as WJS in hearts or GF unbal with clubs, could've led to a fun auction. Oh lol, they may be worried 2♥ shows the blacks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 I think 3N is natural. X I would take as wanting to bid and 3S dunno lol, I guess 4-7 in the blacks. So basically everything natural and X t/o...not very exciting but seems to work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 There's something in what you say. Now that I know what the sequences we're talking about, I think that:dbl = Something like 31363♠ = DNE. If they weren't worth bidding before they're not worth bidding now either.3NT = Natural, like Phil's example. I think that is a little harsh on the 3S bid. If they weren't worth bidding before, but we now have a bid that shows that we didn't think they were worth bidding before, it changes the context of our bid. Sure I'd expect Jxxx --- xx AKJTxxx now or so where spades is often not right to play, but if we can show that then why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 I also play dbl as takeout and the rest naturalish. Quick question: how do you guys prefer to play opener's Dbl? Penalty or takeout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 I also play dbl as takeout and the rest naturalish. Quick question: how do you guys prefer to play opener's Dbl? Penalty or takeout? Probably should be penalties, but my meta-agreement is that double asks for stop in this auction type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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