daveharty Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 [hv=pc=n&n=skq6hat87543dt85c&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=1cp1h1s4cp]133|200[/hv] IMPs. Reasonable partner, no discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Love the title. I don't remember what the CWNN is so this is a pure guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) Would never assume CWNN without prior discussion; would never assume partner with no clue without evidence. 4♥. Edit: If, I thought for a minute that partner played 4C (and 4D) both as CWNN, with 4C slammish and 4D not, as we do ---then 5H denying 1st round control of the pointed suits but a whole bunch of extra hearts. Edited November 12, 2012 by aguahombre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 :P Pass. I can only count 10 tricks opposite 8 solid clubs and out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 3nt. After the Director bars pard from bidding any more, 4♥ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Well I play this bid as showing 6 very good Clubs and 4 card H support. I don't know if it has a name or not.This seems unlikely with my heart holding and the bidding though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Well I play this bid as showing 6 very good Clubs and 4 card H support. I don't know if it has a name or not.Yep, that is the half of the convention many people use ---another reason not to use names even for conventions with no names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 [hv=pc=n&n=skq6hat87543dt85c&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=1cp1h1s4cp]133|200[/hv] IMPs. Reasonable partner, no discussion. Obviously 4♣ is a additional raise to 1♥,it showed a 6 card semi-strong ♣ suit with 4 card ♥ support,14hcp +. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Edit: If, I thought for a minute that partner played 4C (and 4D) both as CWNN, with 4C slammish and 4D not, as we do ---then 5H denying 1st round control of the pointed suits but a whole bunch of extra hearts.I didn't know of this version.... thx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveharty Posted November 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Well I play this bid as showing 6 very good Clubs and 4 card H support. I don't know if it has a name or not.This seems unlikely with my heart holding and the bidding though.So what's your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 4♥. I don't have a diamond control. I really think that is all that there is to the hand from my side. A very disciplined 4♣ call would look like this: x(x)KQJxx(x)AKQJxx Partner should be 2-4-1-6 or 1-4-2-6. In either case, we are off 2 or 3 tricks on top. If partner is stronger, he can move again on his own. The only problem would be if he is 2-4-1-6 with the ♦A in addition to the rest (possibly with Kxxx of hearts), in which case he might not want to move forward with xx in spades. But I am not going to move beyond 4♥ in the hope that he has a diamond control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 If I had to, I would bet on pwnc, but luckily now I have an (at least plausible) 4H bid either way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Yep, that is the half of the convention many people use ---another reason not to use names even for conventions with no names.Is the other half 4♦ = 6 not so good clubs with 4 hearts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Is the other half 4♦ = 6 not so good clubs with 4 hearts?No. The way we use it, 4C=slammish and 4D=not slammish (no matter which minor is opened). XKJXXXXAKQJxx 4♦ XKQXXAXAKQJXX 4♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Thanks, aguahombre. Not dependent on the clubs, but on the total hand being slam suitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Thanks, aguahombre. Not dependent on the clubs, but on the total hand being slam suitable.Yes, and 4C is still the slammish one if we have long diamonds and open 1♦ instead of 1♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Frankly, the word "obviously" should be banned from these discussions. :P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 :P I have had some pards who played your auction as a solid six card minor (or, maybe semi-solid, say missing the Q), four trumps to an honor or two and out - a 'picture' bid. The thing about picture bids is they describe hands that are easy to bid anyway, so you don't want to strain to use them. Define them closely and take your profit whenever they do come up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 I had teammates who had a major accident on this auction once.They both knew that 1C P 1H P 4C was 4-6 in hearts and clubs, but one of them thought this also applied after the 1S overcall, and the other one thought that 4C was now a pre-emptive type call with very long clubs. Neither was 'right' as such, but it's not enough to think that you play this meaning for 4C without an overcall and THEREFORE you play it after the overcall as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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