barmar Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 I agree with an earlier comment. You don't seem to have the programming talent to present the free lessons on Apple, but you dick around with this garbage.Please keep your comments civil, there's no reason to be insulting just because you disagree with our decision. Which earlier comment are you talking about? And the new free bridge movies work fine on Macs. They run on any computer that supports Flash, just like the BBO web version. It's interesting to note that most of the comments in the BBO News item about this change are very positive, while the forum comments are mostly negative. I wonder why there's such a difference in the two communities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 I think you should strongly consider editing one word in the post you quoted barmar - "mess" would be a good alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 It's interesting to note that most of the comments in the BBO News item about this change are very positive, while the forum comments are mostly negative. I wonder why there's such a difference in the two communities.I'm sure there are a number of reasons, but the forum community is probably more technical and includes people who direct and host team matches on BBO - so we are much more competent at booting players when necessary. It feels like a large percentage of the forum posters only play with friends (or friends of friends), or set games, and no longer enjoy the rough and tumble of random tables. This means that they are more tolerant of people taking their time when it looks difficult and more likely to see a warning. It does mean that there will be some issues where our opinions are less important and probably irrelevant. But I'm sure that will never stop us commenting :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 That won't be very effective. The reason we did this for all players, not just hosts, is because many hosts don't know how to boot stuck players. Do you really think someone like that would know that they should put "+fast+" in thedescription to make this happen automatically?This is interesting. Maybe the host interface should become more intuitive, for instance clicking on a player to bring up an option to boot him, or have the server suggest booting to the host ("click yes to boot") instead of auto-booting after the 80 seconds have elapsed? I thought the key issue was inactive hosts, but I'm obviously biased as that's the only issue I encounter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaltstart Posted November 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 As far as I see, the auto-removal was introduced to reduce the work yellows have to do when someone is stuck. I guess, most if not all of the removal requests come from tables which player reach via the "help me find a table"-function. Then why not restrict the auto-removal function to unprotected tables? There are several reasons why I exclusively play on protected tables. So at least I won´t be bothered by the feature any more. Protected tables can´t be reached via the above mentioned function, I think. If the host is stuck nobody else can reach the table, too. Maybe not the ideal, but many of those who complain here might be content as well this way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokyoo Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Yes I think it is a good idea. Some people simply drag out the play in order to cause trouble. I think it will speed up play and be helpful in the long run. I approve. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony1 Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Happy to have itEspecially happy to hear about the hack too ("+slow+" set in the Table description) This allows some control to be applied for players who need a bit more time.Of course all players should be advised about this option...and perhaps too that they can click on "Be right back" to forestall getting "booted". However those two options should add some time not prevent a person being booted. After all time is a constraint and not unlike other rules is a part of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daxtoncard Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 When i am the host... I expect to be in control of the table... It should b the host decision to boot someone... If someone wants to play faster... i tell them that maybe the main club would probably be better... Relax to me by definition means no stress, laid back and enjoyment of the game... I don't consider someone aaying please play faster or warning to boot slow players as being a relaxed game... What was your reason for the relaxed club??? It should be up to the host to decide when to boot... Most players who like to play fast, ask in main chat for those players... Most of us use a lot of drugs... So yes maybe sometime we fall asleep (now that is what i call relaxing)... I don't think that happening, is any more disrupting than threatening and then removing someone because of slow play... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broze Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I thoroughly approve of this feature. I'm surprised so many people have a problem with it! Does it really take much effort to type "thinking" in the chat? I can't tell you how irritating it is to be on a table where the host just becomes inactive and that's it - you have to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyck Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 "Chick" has summed up the issues with this feature in BBO News, including the bug I mentioned of booting me when there were only 3 players at a table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM75 Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 A teacher I know wanted her students to play in the "main" club so that they could see how their play compared with "the world". This came up before she knew about it. 1) Does +slow+ permanently disable the interruptions (perhaps leading to an eventual zombie table)?2) Can players simply click BRB and play that way the whole game without the interruption? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenko Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 A teacher I know wanted her students to play in the "main" club so that they could see how their play compared with "the world". This came up before she knew about it. 1) Does +slow+ permanently disable the interruptions (perhaps leading to an eventual zombie table)?2) Can players simply click BRB and play that way the whole game without the interruption? Can I put +slow+ in my personal profile? would that help in case I am not the host? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semeai Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Or tweak it so that it only applies to tables that are destinations for HMFAG ( the high volume case ). This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledzepper Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I ceratinly do not wish this feature to a part of BBO as it ruins the the very core of the game which is to think of a strategy to win after keeping lots of information in mind which forces you to think of a lot of situations in your mind. All of this requires concentration which cannot be achieved if one is getting such distractive messages. Please be kind and not kill the essence of this game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matilda797 Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Hi,Is it really nessesary to implement it? Can't host manage it himself? if we not happy with slow table we can leave and join another table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davekeene Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I sort of like the feature but I don't much like the autocratic nature of it. Moving the mouse, for instance, doesn't let the other players know that you're active. I always thought it would be nice for the non-host players to gang up on the host and remove them if necessary (sort of X-factor, three votes and you're out, style). That way the host generally controls the table but you can get rid of a sleepy host or an overbearing one. On the plus side, it does save people having to do the nudging but I do think that the host should be able to set the two timeout values you mention. Just my $0.02 (and many thanks for the site/software by the way) DK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Right now we're thinking of keeping the autoboot, but exempt people who are playing at tables that look like games between friends or where the host looks like he knows how to manage table options. The autoboot has been removed while we tweak it. Comments welcome. http://webutil.bridgebase.com/v2/news_fetch.php?id=1376 -------------+slow+ must be written in the table's description to give 3X as much time as the usual. Usual is 80 seconds to boot (warnings begin around 50 seconds of inactivity). If you write this command, it will give 240 seconds with warning at 150 second mark. If the tweaks we intend to make are not enough, we'll continue to play with this feature. It is not about speeding up games - this was about helping to remove players who are unlikely to be around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sooner_1 Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 I think this is great! I doesn't kick you off as I understand it, it just reminds you to do something, like move your mouse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myfish Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 nice suggestion with the restricted table :) it solves many problem indeed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suokko Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Right now we're thinking of keeping the autoboot, but exempt people who are playing at tables that look like games between friends or where the host looks like he knows how to manage table options. The autoboot has been removed while we tweak it. Comments welcome. The friend detection sounds good idea to me. Another group that should be allowed extra thinknig time are new players. New players often have to think a lot longer even in situations that are automatic to experienced players. If new player gets kicked out of table because of slow play it hugelly reduces likely hood that the person continues the hobby. For everyone else it is simple minor annoyance. Also going out of computer to door or something may take easily over 90 seconds. Is there some way to prevent kicking during that time? That makes me thinking kick should be vote between other players instead of automatic. Automatic feature can't coup with all cases where a kick would just cause bad feelings. If you think 90 second thinking break is completely out of question I think you aren't actually ever defending part-scores with skill. IMO option most of part-score defense require very long thinking breaks to weight between possible defenses early in hand. I can easily play in game that average 4-5 minutes per board in live bridge. That is even the ussual speed of play. But if the session has multiple hands were I need to decide between different defenses early in hand I can easily raise the average to 7 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Also going out of computer to door or something may take easily over 90 seconds. Is there some way to prevent kicking during that time? Mark "be right back" and the clock stops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 If you think 90 second thinking break is completely out of question I think you aren't actually ever defending part-scores with skill. Just move the mouse or type "thinking" and the clock is reset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wamaker Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Twice in 24 hours I have been removed from a table by this mechanism. Both times I was waiting for a new partner before bidding (so I could say Hi and see their system). Both times I was with friends and was just ejected. If I follow the BBO advice and mark myself BRB why would anyone thing I was ready to play? In addition, I WAS chatting to the table and I was ejected mid sentence. I can see the point of this software but the cure is worse than the disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 We log when this happens, and I don't see any logs of you being booted by this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 We log when this happens, and I don't see any logs of you being booted by this.And myhands shows no hands played by her in the past month. Maybe people just make stuff up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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