Some slams from a teams match

[Cyberyeti]

Played a county match yesterday, and for once the boards were quite interesting. Would be interested to see how people bid these which all turned up in the first 11 boards:

 

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Dealer N love all

 

If N opens 1♣ E will bid 2N both reds good/bad and W will bid 3♥ over pass or double but otherwise stay silent

If N opens 2♣ precisionish E will overcall 2♥ and W will be silent whatever happens next

 

Dealer N NS vul

 

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Dealer S love all

 

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[mike777]

1c=(2nt)=x=(3h)

p=p=4h=p

6c=p

 

 

 

 

2)

 

p=2c

2d(gf)=2h

2nt=3s

4s=4nt

5c=5h(kh, grand try)

6d(kd, deny Kc)=6s

 

 

3)

 

1c=1s

2h=3d(art/gf)(minimum for this bid)

4c=4d(rkc in c)

4s=4nt(q ask)

6c(QC, deny outsideK)

[the_clown]

After a natural 1♣ its very tough. The best I can think of is.

 

1♣-(2NT)-X-(3♥)

pass - pass -3♠-pass

3NT-4NT

6♣

 

4N is optimistic at best.

 

Playing precision is a lot easier and there shouldnt be any problems.

 

2.

2♣-2♥ (0-5)

3♠ (5♥4♠)

4♦(agrees ♠ max )-6♠

 

Actually the 3♠ bid was not part of the system, but it is something that I would like to add. If this is not available I am never getting there.

Playing precision:

 

1♣-1♦

1♥ (forcing balanced or nat)-1♠

2♠ (5♥4♠ Gforcing)-3♠

bla bla slam

 

3.

1♣-1♠

2♥-2♠ (5+ Gforcing)

3♣-3N

4♣-5♣

6♣

 

Precision:

1♣-1♥ (8-11)

2♣-2♠

3♥-3N

4♣-4♦ (do something intelligent?)

6♣

 

The 4♦ is questionable, but 4♥ sounds like preference and 4♠ like an offer to play.

[Zelandakh]

2♣ - (2♥) - X

2♠ - 4♣

5♣ - 6♣ seems the most direct route on Hand 1. This would be a very tough hand at MP.

 

 

There are a myriad of possibilities on Hand 2. Something like

 

1♣ - 1♦

1♠ - 2♦

2♥ - 2♠

3♠ - 4♣

4♦ - 4♥

4NT - 5♦

6♦ - 6♠

 

would be likely in practise (1♠ unbal GF; 2♦ ~3-5; 4♣ serious denial cue; 4♦ ask; 4♥ denial cue with ♦ control).

 

 

Hand 3 gives a chance for some relays :)

 

1♣ - 1♥

1♠ - 2♣

2♦ - 2NT

3♣ - 3♥

3♠ - 3NT

4♣ - 4♠

4NT - 5♦

5♥ - 5NT

6NT

 

All of Opener's bids are relays except 1♣ and 6NT. Responder shows a min 5=2=4=2 GF with 3 controls, in spades and hearts but not in diamonds and clubs. That is enough to count 12 tricks.

[kenrexford]

On the second board, my "New Frontiers for Strong Forcing Openings" would work wonders:

 

2♦(4+ spades, strong)-3♥(weak balanced hand with four spades)

4♣(do you have the club King?)-4♦(no, but I have the diamond King)

5♦(do you have the diamond Queen?)-5♥(nope)

6♠(Oh well...)

 

The third board benefits from the same style, at least as to the start:

 

2♣ (strong with generally 0-3 spades)-2♦(GF, waiting)

2♠(four hearts, longer minor)-2NT(no heart fit, but what is the minor?)

3♣(clubs, with 0-2 spades)-3♦(punt)

3♥(0-1 spades)-3♠(cue for clubs)

???

 

I would still miss this, though, unless North takes a position.

[ahydra]

1)

 

1C-(2NT)-X-(3H)

p-(p)-4C-(p)

5C-(p)-6C-all pass

 

A bit ugly but the basic idea is that South doesn't want to give up on slam, and North has nothing extra to show; South can speculate with 4C because 1C is 4+ (12-14 NT), and probably 5+ because with a strong balanced hand N would likely X or do something over 3H. I don't like it though and wouldn't be surprised to end up playing 3HX (should North run?).

 

2) There are a few possibilities here, depending on how South treats his 26 HCP godzilla of a hand. If he shows 26-27 bal he probably plays 3NT or 6NT depending on whether North is a wimp; if he shows a GF with hearts and eventually spades, he plays 6S, something like

 

2C (strong, many options; one of them is hearts) - 2H (negative)

2S (any GF) - 3D (NAT - not a complete bust)

3S (4+ spades and 5+ hearts) - 4D (cue)

6S (DK is good, but partner doesn't have CK) - pass

 

To be honest I doubt 6S would be bid directly (4D doesn't necessarily deny the CK), but IMO feels a sensible bid.

 

Or if N doesn't think that's a negative:

2C-2D

2H-2S (relay with spades)

3S (agree spades)-4D (cue)

6S again

 

3) the easiest of the lot, barring a mixup.

 

2C ("clubs" option this time) - 2D (positive)

3C (6+ clubs) - 3S

3NT - 4C (RKC clubs)

5C (even KC with void) - 5D (ask Q)

6C (Q no kings) - pass

 

Should South show the void? I think so, but if not the auction is pretty much the same.

 

ahydra

[Cyberyeti]

What happened at the table:

 

1: 1♣(4+♣)-(2N)-X(to penalise one or both, denies 4♣)-(3H)-P-4♦(KB)-5♣-6♣

 

2: we defended this one, but would bid 2♣-2♦(neg)-2♥(nat or bal)-2♠(semi forced)-3♠(5+♥/4+♠)-4♠-5♣-5♦-5♥-5♠-5N(anything else ?)-6♠(no Q♦/K♣)

 

It's easier if you don't play Kokish 2♣-2♦-2♥-3♦-3♠-4♠-5♣-5♦-5♥-5♠-5N-6♠ and now you have the option of bidding the possibly good 7 knowing partner has 5♦/4♠. It can't be worse than trumps 3-2 and either red suit 3-3 and can be a lot better.

 

3: we had a cow flew by moment, partner showed 5-5 rather than 5-4 so we played in the inelegant contract of 5♦ but made 12 anyway. By our system, we should bid: 1♣-1♠-2N(GF unbal)-3♣(semi forced)-3♥(6♣/4♥ and huge, bigger than reverse)-3♠(5th card)-3N-4♣-4♥-4♠-5♦-5♥-5N-6♣ and we'd stop there rather than 6N at teams as I can't be sure the A♠ is not the K.

 

Had you played precision against me on board 2, you'd have got a 3♣ WJO over 1♣-P-1♦ and maybe a 4♣ raise to contend with.

[mike777]

1) I dont understand ..you dont have an agreed suit for kb do you?

 

 

2) I dont understand 2d neg..you have a gf response...

[Cyberyeti]

1) I dont understand ..you dont have an agreed suit for kb do you?

 

 

2) I dont understand 2d neg..you have a gf response...

1: Since diamonds is a known suit of the opponents, 4♦ is kickback in clubs by our methods, there is pretty much no hand on which I would need 4♦ for anything else.

 

2: we play the old fashioned 0-7 neg.

[Fluffy]

its hard to tell seeing the full hand but I might finish in 3NT after the_clown's sequence on first one.

 

second one I am a simple soul, regardless of kokish it will go

 

2♣-2♦

2♥-whatever

3♠-4♠

5♣-5♦

 

if partner had ♣K I think I would miss this one, I have no king ask.

 

Third one something like:

 

1♣-1♠ (or 1♥ transfer)

2♥-2♠ (gf relay)

3♦-3NT

4♣-4♥

6♣

[Fluffy]

2) There are a few possibilities here, depending on how South treats his 26 HCP godzilla of a hand. If he shows 26-27 bal he probably plays 3NT or 6NT depending on whether North is a wimp; if he shows a GF with hearts and eventually spades, he plays 6S, something like

 

2C (strong, many options; one of them is hearts) - 2H (negative)

2S (any GF) - 3D (NAT - not a complete bust)

3S (4+ spades and 5+ hearts) - 4D (cue)

6S (DK is good, but partner doesn't have CK) - pass

 

To be honest I doubt 6S would be bid directly (4D doesn't necessarily deny the CK), but IMO feels a sensible bid.

 

I wonder what you bid with 7 decent diamonds if 4♦ supports spades.

[Codo]

In the first:

 

1♣ (2 NT) X (3♥)

pass (pass)3♠ (pass)

3 NT (pass) 4 NT (pass)

6 ♣

 

2.:

2 ♣ 2 ♦ (GF Relay)

2 ♥ 3 ♦

3♠ 4 ♠

4 NT 5♦

5NT 6♦

7♠

IF parter does not treat the hand as GF relay and we start with 2♣ 2 ♥ I will end in 3 NT instead... So, game or grand. :)

 

3.

1♣ 1 ♠

2♥ 3♦

4♣ 4 ♦ (Minorwood, dislike)

4♥ 4♠ (KC, 1)

5♦ 5♥ (Kings- Heart)

5NT 6 clubs (Anything else? No)

pass

[ahydra]

I wonder what you bid with 7 decent diamonds if 4♦ supports spades.

 

You would start with 3D rather than 2H. But I admit, we haven't got our rules for "when is it a cue and when is it natural" 100% sorted yet.

 

ahydra

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Played a county match yesterday, and for once the boards were quite interesting. Would be interested to see how people bid these which all turned up in the first 11 boards:

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3rd hand.

 

Open 2C with this 3 loser hand ( similar to ahydra but different ):

 

2C - 2D ( waiting but positive; no 5 cd suit w/ 2 of top 3 )

3C - 3S ( 5+ cd suit )

3NT - 4C

4D! ( kickback when suit agreement at 4-level ) - 4S ( 1 key, has to be ♠Ace )

5D! ( K-ask ) - 5H ( ♥K )

5S ( 2nd K-ask ) - 6C ( no more )

pass at IMP/ 6NT at MP

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Played a county match yesterday, and for once the boards were quite interesting. Would be interested to see how people bid these which all turned up in the first 11 boards:

 

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Dealer N love all

 

If N opens 1♣ E will bid 2N both reds good/bad and W will bid 3♥ over pass or double but otherwise stay silent

1st hand ... using Un-Un :

 

1C - (2NT!) - 3H! [ showing ♠] - ( X )

p - ( p ) - XX [ need more info ] - ( p )

4C - ( p ) - 4D! [ kickback ..] or just bid 6C

[Cyberyeti]

1st hand ... using Un-Un :

 

1C - (2NT!) - 3H! [ showing ♠] - ( X )

p - ( p ) - XX [ need more info ] - ( p )

4C - ( p ) - 4D! [ kickback ..] or just bid 6C

Would not be an X over 3♥, that hand has 3 hearts, 2 diamonds and a jack, so would only give preference.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Would not be an X over 3♥, that hand has 3 hearts, 2 diamonds and a jack, so would only give preference.

Then Opener bids 4C earlier... etc . to 6C.

[PhilKing]

Then Opener bids 4C earlier... etc . to 6C.

 

Am I the only person who thinks opener has a completely obvious 3NT bid over 3♥, suggesting, of all things, long strong clubs and a heart stop?

[Fluffy]

Am I the only person who thinks opener has a completely obvious 3NT bid over 3♥, suggesting, of all things, long strong clubs and a heart stop?

 

Yes, when you say it is completelly obvious, but I at least found it a reasonable alternative.

 

When partner makes a power double I normally try to fall back and give him a chance to double in case we really have them. But this hand looks like a good one to make an exception.

[Codo]

Why should I bid 3 NT without a spade stopper?

I mean if I had been in the pass out seat, this call had been obvious. But here? Why should I?

[PhilKing]

Why should I bid 3 NT without a spade stopper?

I mean if I had been in the pass out seat, this call had been obvious. But here? Why should I?

 

You are worried that the opponents can run five spades? Seriously?

 

The chances of partner having ♠xxxx ♥Ax ♦AKxx ♣xxx are vanishingly small, and we may be off in 5♣ if they lead spades.

 

Passing 3♥ round to partner achieves nothing. You know he is not doubling, he will often make a buck passing 3♠ bid (which may be doubled when his spades are dubious) and we are worse off than before. Just bid 3NT. It's the obvious bid, the obvious contract most of the time and from the obvious side. It also helps for slam purposes since we promise a good club suit when we call off the hounds - with a balanced hand we would pass or double.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Am I the only person who thinks opener has a completely obvious 3NT bid over 3♥, suggesting, of all things, long strong clubs and a heart stop?

In my auction ( post # 15 ), WE are the ones bidding 3♥! ( Un -Un ) , so wouldn't you need 3NT next to suggest stops in BOTH "reds" ?

[PhilKing]

In my auction ( post # 15 ), WE are the ones bidding 3♥! ( Un -Un ) , so wouldn't you need 3NT next to suggest stops in BOTH "reds" ?

 

Well I wouldn't bid it in your auction. For me, 3♥ by us would show five spades, so I would be constrained to start with double.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Dealer N NS vul

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Simple soul on the 2nd one also :

p - 2C

2D! ( positive but no 5 cd suit w/2 of top 3 ) - 2H

3D ( 5 cd suit ) - 3S

4S - ?? partner has to have one of the minor Kings for his "positive" response*, but could he have both?

 

4S - 4NT

5C ( 0/3 ) - 5NT

6D ( ♦-K but no ♣-K ) - 6S

 

EDIT : You might be in trouble if 2D! means : at least an A or K or 2Q's .. the 2Q hand with no K's will be a problem .

[mikl_plkcc]

At the first deal, I think we would:

1♣ - (2NT) - / - (3♥)

/ - (/) - 3♠ - (/)

4♣ - (/) - 5♣ - (/)

/ - (//)

 

At the second deal, I think we would:

/ - 2♣

2♦ - 3♥

4♦ - 4♠

5♠ - 6♠

 

Explanations:

2♦ = 0 - 1 control(s)

3♥ = to force to game opposite absolutely nothing (2♥ here would be an immediate stop)

5♠ = simple invite, suggesting extras (4NT here would be a sign-off in NT, as no suit has been agreed yet)

 

At the third deal, I think we would:

2♣ - 2♠

3♣ - 3♠

4♣ - 5♣

/

 

Explanations:

2♠ = 3 controls

 

Slams are very difficult to bid.