hejiang Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 高花开叫后的逼叫性1NT应叫无论是对开叫者和应叫者来说,牌力和牌型的范围都非常广泛。再叫面临困难,相互需要了解更多信息,幸好有了巴特这个很好的约定,有了更多空间去描述牌力牌形,在实战中碰上一副牌在使用巴特约定,有了争论,抛砖引玉:1、开叫人使用巴特有点力限制吗?2、应叫1NT后,2C还逼叫吗?牌例稍后上贴。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzdhy668 Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 我认为可以不逼叫,如应叫人5--7-点开叫高花单缺,C套是6张则PASS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hejiang Posted November 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 牌例如下:开叫1S,应叫1NT,开叫人使用了巴特2C,实战叫牌是1S-1NT-2C-3C-4D-5C-5S-6C,MK。复牌时我陷入了思考,开叫人如果1S再跳叫3S,很可能就停在3S的定约,看来巴特这个工具还是非常好。而我的PD则说“我差点PASS你的2C”,这就是我们需要思考的问题:巴特2C逼叫吗?进一步我思考:如果开叫人在红心上还有HQ,一共19点,还能这样用巴特吗?[hv=pc=n&s=s2ha5djt754ct7642&n=sakqt97h862dcakj8]133|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sungh Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 我来试答一下,不一定正确:1、开叫人使用巴特点力是好的14p以上吧。2、应叫1NT后,2C要求应叫人显示牌情,有个疑惑,应叫人是1453型的弱牌,怎么叫?叫3D又不合适吧。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9Ayy Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 1 开叫人使用巴特有点力限制吗?有(12-18hcP)2 应叫1NT后,2C还逼叫吗?这个2C相当于加兹里,逼叫。不过要和pd约定的。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hejiang Posted November 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 谢谢9ayy,这个解答非常赞同。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lipeng2076 Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 2c不轻易pass,同时是个不逼叫的叫品,看不到局持弱6张c完全可以pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 2c不轻易pass,同时是个不逼叫的叫品,看不到局持弱6张c完全可以pass 我愿意宣称把2♣作为逼叫。至于说真的持弱6张♣套,绝不pass,一定再叫3♣作礼貌性加叫,不论结果是成是宕;否则敌方轻而易举作平衡叫,进而发现他们的花色配合,甚或进局之配。实在不愿意轻易便宜敌方。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lipeng2076 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 谢谢楼主分享了一道基础题,这也是我认识上的一个盲区,非常感谢心烛老师细致入微地分析指正和耐心教导。谢谢! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamebridge Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 牌例如下:开叫1S,应叫1NT,开叫人使用了巴特2C,实战叫牌是1S-1NT-2C-3C-4D-5C-5S-6C,MK。复牌时我陷入了思考,开叫人如果1S再跳叫3S,很可能就停在3S的定约,看来巴特这个工具还是非常好。而我的PD则说“我差点PASS你的2C”,这就是我们需要思考的问题:巴特2C逼叫吗?进一步我思考:如果开叫人在红心上还有HQ,一共19点,还能这样用巴特吗?[hv=pc=n&s=s2ha5djt754ct7642&n=sakqt97h862dcakj8]133|200[/hv] 对于[hv=pc=n&s=s2ha5djt754ct7642]133|200[/hv] 我个人叫3C 逼局了。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hejiang Posted November 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 能够抛砖引玉,让我们能很好审视这个问题,非常谢谢老师和大家。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvd Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 终于找到了这个帖子了。个人认为因为一个牌列就把2c定义为逼叫是不合适的,可以有若干牌局表明2cpass 可能是最好的选择。pd间当然可以把这个2c约定为逼叫,但就2盖1体系而言,这个时候叫2c(后续巴特)是不逼叫的,弱牌c套绝对可以pass。对初学体系的牌友来说,是否逼叫是个很重要的概念,不要整混淆了。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvd Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 终于找到了这个帖子了。个人认为因为一个牌列就把2c定义为逼叫是不合适的,可以有若干牌局表明2cpass 可能是最好的选择。pd间当然可以把这个2c约定为逼叫,但就2盖1体系而言,这个时候叫2c(后续巴特)是不逼叫的,弱牌c套绝对可以pass。对初学体系的牌友来说,是否逼叫是个很重要的概念,不要整混淆了。另外,5楼的相当于加兹里观点不太认同,巴特和加兹里完全是2个概念。 汗,点编辑点错了。重复发帖了哈,sorry。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
601821297 Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 记得我打过的一付牌,当搭档叫出2C后我持低限牌力沉思之后加叫到3C,结果宕一,过后搭档批评我说:你这样的牌力进局是无望的,PASS才是正选 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ar5810 Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 在使用巴特和反巴特约定叫时,基于策略上的考虑,我赞同把此时的2C看作是逼叫的。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluejacket Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 2C不逼叫 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuhuan Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 河江的帖子及后面衔接的讨论让我巩固了1NT逼叫后再叫2C的知识,谢谢。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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