Thread on Squeezes

[inquiry]

First, to the four of you who have written me to say how much you enjoy the squeeze thread, thanks. I am going to continue proving you with more hand and squeeze methods no matter how this vote goes, so don't worry. Maybe I will just send to you by email.

 

However, I am putting in some considerable effort to post material on squeezes, and so far have only covered how to identify simple squeeze and the type of squeezes that compensate for problems with the entry condition needed for a simple squeeze. I estimate this has covered only about 15% of the types of squeeze i plan to cover. So the genearl questions I have is it worth this public effort (I can continue as private mail to the few who like it if not)? Is it even vaguely understandable as written for intermediate players or should I move the thread to the advanced section? Should I stop the long public post on this topic? Should I post about the different squeezes at a slower pace to allow more time for reflection before the next posting? Should I post at a faster pace? Are the post too long? Below are some of the questions I have about the thread and its reception. IT would help me if you could provide answers above to these questions and of course, any additional helpful comments so I can improve the presentation style to make it more "user-friendly" would be appreciated, especially about the pace of posting (no room to include pace in multiple choice answers, as only 20 answers allowed).

 

Feel for the material questions

1) The material is presented such that an intermediate can benefit from it.

2) The material is much too complex for intermediate players - move it to expert thread

3) The material is too complicate for online forum, anyone interested can buy a book

4) No one needs to know more than a simple and double squeeze as they occur too rarely to be useful in real world so you can stop now or after explaining double squeezes.

 

Presentation style questions

5) The material is organized in a confusing manner, who ever heard of covering entry-shifting trump squeeze and clash squeeze before the basic double squeeze

6) The material is organized logically, by grouping by "defect" in the routine squeeze, it is easier to see when to look for the exotic squeezes

 

Examples questions

7) There needs to be more example hands in the actual thread

8) No example hands are needed, just explain the principle of the flaw in the pattern recongition scheme

9) Continue the alternative threads for simple squeeze quiz hands and then set up threads for hands with flaws in ENTRY, BOTH, LOSER, and combinations of flaws.

 

Usefulness to you questions s

10) I find this topic interesting and look forward to seeing how other flaws in blue will lead logically to additional squeeze endings like the backwash squeeze and others

11) I stopped reading this thread a long time ago because who cares about such rare things or your writing style is not for me, or because I know this stuff forwards and backwards, or for any other reason.

 

 

Ben

[jillybean]

I need much more time to study the thread and some practice hands to both identify and execute a squeeze. At the moment I may get into a squeeze by accident and atleast now can identify it as a squeeze but to think it out at the table would just take too long.

 

thanks

jillybean

[sceptic]

when I look at all 13 cards in each hand, I struggle a bit, to see the squeeze and recognize the defects (well it takes me ages to work out), I assume this is just inexperience, what I do recognise is that I have been at the table and not had the slightest idea what I should be doing, when I have had squeeze hands.

 

When I look at the remaining position, I can see how the squeeze works and what order to play the cards and how the squeeze is operated (does not take me so long to work out)

 

As I said in my email, I find your style is excellent, as long as you enjoy posting and covering the topic, I am more than happy to study this, I find it hard but fascinating.

 

I think I have similar thoughts to jilly as well

[inquiry]

when I look at all 13 cards in each hand, I struggle a bit, to see the squeeze and recognize the defects (well it takes me ages to work out), I assume this is just inexperience, what I do recognise is that I have been at the table and not had the slightest idea what I should be doing, when I have had squeeze hands.

 

When I look at the remaining position, I can see how the squeeze works and what order to play the cards and how the squeeze is operated (does not take me so long to work out)

 

As I said in my email, I find your style is excellent, as long as you enjoy posting and covering the topic, I am more than happy to study this, I find it hard but fascinating.

 

I think I have similar thoughts to jilly as well

Yes.. seeing them from trick one or trick three is the hard part, but you have to see many of htem that early if you are going to cash winners, unblock, etc soon enough. Yes it takes work to learn how to see this..but it does come easier.

 

If I follow the advise above from those (one so far) who says not to bother, I will send you the remaining material by email/private message... including simple squeeze hands.. I have hundreds and hundreds of those, I just didn't want to flood the bbo with them... I thougth one or two a day would be ok until we hit around 40 (and I was hoping as we go along, you guys publish the ones you find thanks in part to my "lectures" on the subject.... here as well....)

 

Ben

[kgr]

Ben,

 

I voted 1,6,9,10.

 

For me the topic is very interesting. The only issue I have is to find the time to read it more then once.

If you start sending private mails on this topic then please cc me.

 

Thanks

[inquiry]

For me the topic is very interesting. The only issue I have is to find the time to read it more then once.

Well of all users, you should like this threads, as they were written in response to your direct request in the advanced/expert thread you entitled squeeze, where you said... that you " Would like to recognise squeeze possibilities faster at the table" and that you would like to "Easier recognise how to play the hand"

 

Then you asked some questions. Two stuck out...

 

Question:

- Any good articles about squeezes on the internet?

- Other tips on how to study and manage this are very welcome?

 

Since I had long ago formalized how I view exotic (and other squeezes) into categories, and since there was no good articles on my method on the internet (or anywhere but on my computer), I thought I could help with both of these questions at one time. At the rate I am posting, it will take more than a month just to post the method.. and then lots of example hands in example threads as well...

[xx1943]

For me the topic is very interesting. The only issue I have is to find the time to read it more then once.

Well of all users, you should like this threads, as they were written in response to your direct request in the advanced/expert thread you entitled squeeze, where you said... that you " Would like to recognise squeeze possibilities faster at the table" and that you would like to "Easier recognise how to play the hand"

 

Then you asked some questions. Two stuck out...

 

Question:

- Any good articles about squeezes on the internet?

- Other tips on how to study and manage this are very welcome?

 

Since I had long ago formalized how I view exotic (and other squeezes) into categories, and since there was no good articles on my method on the internet (or anywhere but on my computer), I thought I could help with both of these questions at one time. At the rate I am posting, it will take more than a month just to post the method.. and then lots of example hands in example threads as well...

HI BEN

 

THIS TOPIC IS THE BEST I'VE EVER READ ABOUT SQUEEZES.

 

Please continue. I gave my mentees the advice, to print the posts out and conserve them til they'll need them.

 

btw. Is there a possibility to print a whole thread or yet better save it to a file?

 

Thanks a lot for your effort.

 

Sincerly

 

Al

[xx1943]

I voted 1,6,9,10.

Agree 100%

[Flame]

I just began to read it yesterday, i read from the begining which is oviously too easy for me, but i think this is an apportunity for me to have a solid in depth and complete lesson on squeeses for the first time. Im going to read it all.

[inquiry]

Please continue. I gave my mentees the advice, to print the posts out and conserve them til they'll need them.

 

btw. Is there a possibility to print a whole thread or yet better save it to a file?

Click the icon that looks like a printed page on the bottom left hand side of the entire thread (scroll down to the bottom of the page).

 

This will open a menu with three options,

1) Track this topic

2) Subscribe to this forum

3) Print or download this topic

 

Track simply means the BBF will send you an email everytime someone post to the topic (thread). That gets old quick, but if there is one you are really interested in, you can do that.

 

The one you want is print or download. If you do the download, you can put it into a word document and delete parts you don't want before printing....

 

Ben

[kgr]

The one you want is print or download. If you do the download, you can put it into a word document and delete parts you don't want before printing....

What's wrong with ♦ symbol?:

I did download printer friendly format of the topic.

But in Word format the ♦ symbol is not correctly displayed. It displays as a square box iso ♦.

In html it is also displayed as a larger symbol then the others.

 

Any idea if this is browser setting or Word setting? How can I get it correct?

[inquiry]

The one you want is print or download. If you do the download, you can put it into a word document and delete parts you don't want before printing....

What's wrong with ♦ symbol?:

I did download printer friendly format of the topic.

But in Word format the ♦ symbol is not correctly displayed. It displays as a square box iso ♦.

In html it is also displayed as a larger symbol then the others.

 

Any idea if this is browser setting or Word setting? How can I get it correct?

The simple automatic solution, i can't help you with. But this work around works.

 

1) Insert the symbol for a diamond for one of the squares.

2) Use the copy command to copy the symbol.

3) Find the next square and use mouse to highlight it

4) Pick Replace from the Edit menu (the square will show up in the find box)

5) Switch to the replace option and press CNTL-V

6) Choose replace all

 

Ben

[Flame]

Hey Ben

I finnaly finished the first thread, i enjoyed it very very much and will read the rest tomorrow or the next day.

I hope to see it continue.

About questions presented here:

im not a begginer or intermidiate but i find this forum best for teaching, even when the material is complex. adv/expert forum is more of conversions disccusions then teaching, experts read here too, therefore i believe its a good idea to continue in this forum.

I think atleast some of the material is too complex for intermidiate, this doesnt mean they cant understand it, the can and they will enjoy it, but it wont be the best return per time spending they can get. i think at the end, that seperating this into different levels will kill the logic organization, so id stay this way , and maybe put an expert mark at some sections, so inters could skip it if they like.

-organization style is great, including the summering at the end of each section and the end of the artical.

- Examples i am sure new players will need lots of examples and quizes to learn how to use it, but i really liked the idea of a seperate thread for quizez, because any more examples would make it too long, so examples in seperate thread is the best.

Usefulness - i find it very usefull, im looking forward to read more ,and also to play hands and think in the line presented.

Thanks alot Ben keep up the great work

[Flame]

I think maybe there could be a scale for how rare the squeeze is and how hard it is (hard is a complex thing, hard to understand, hard to recongnize, hard to execute)

knowing for each squeeze how hard it is and how rare it is with a simple set of numbers at the header, can help , one can decide to read only the easy ones, or maybe just the more freqent ones, inters can begin with more easy material then go back in few months to read the harder material.

[inquiry]

i think at the end, that seperating this into different levels will kill the logic organization,

 

I think here you understand my approach! I am gratified. So yes, I can not pull out the difficult squeezes from the presentation style without destroying the visualization logic. For me, the way I visuallize squeezes is to what combination of threats/entries/losers exist on a hand, and then run through the sequence of plays that can compensate if something is lacking.

 

I guess I could rate the squeeze on a scale of occurance. Obviously, simple would be far the most common. I literrally have thousands of simple squeeze hands in my hand records (not all played by me, many kibitzed or found on analysis of hand records). Double squeeze is the next most common. Then guard and compound squeeze. Clash squeeze is fairly rare, and the compound-trump, compiound-guard, compound-clash are rarer still. I have only a few examples of these, but I probably missed some. The two loser squeezes are more common than these later ones.

 

However, I think storing away... guard threat to overcome entry problems, trump squeeze to overcome entry problems, and clash threat to overcome entry problems servers you well in response to simple, double, and compound squeezes. So if you learn the simple,double and compound squeeze, it is worth the small amount of effort to add these rarer, but easy to identify, entry fixing manuevers.

 

The hexagonal squeezes, you can pretty much forget about if you like. But they are neat when they happen.

 

Ben