bd71 Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=p1d1hp2d(Limit%20raise)]133|100[/hv] How do you play X here? Is takeout the only option, or could/would you ever agree it is simply showing extra strength? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 we play - in a support double auction, double is support (e.g. 1D 1H dbl (4+ spades) 2D dbl)- after we open a potentially short club, double of a club cue bid shows good clubs- on any other auction, double is take-out of their agreed suit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiros Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 My preferred meaning for double here is to say, "My diamonds are for real. Partner, please lead one." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowerline Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=p1d1hp2d(Limit%20raise)]133|100[/hv] How do you play X here? Is takeout the only option, or could/would you ever agree it is simply showing extra strength? Opening a suit is not the same as overcalling a suit. This just asks partner to lead diamonds. If 2♥ is passed to me I can still double for takeout... Steven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 I prefer to play it as for takeout. That's much safer than passing and then doubling 2♥, because it doesn't commit you to anything. And there's no guarantee that you'll get a chance to double 2♥ - LHO may be about to bid 3♥ or 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Definitely for takeout. Their combined strength may not be great when they do this. Bid like it's your hand until proven otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Those playing double for takeout - how are you playing a rebid of 2♥ by Opener? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) Those playing double for takeout - how are you playing a rebid of 2♥ by Opener? I'd assume 5-6 in the majors pointed suits, with 2♠ being only four spades in a hand that doesn't look like a takeout double. Edited November 1, 2012 by gnasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 I'd assume 5-6 in the majors, with 2♠ being only four spades in a hand that doesn't look like a takeout double.You mean 5 spades and 6+ diamonds I assume? We opened 1♦, they overcalled hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoshy Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Those playing double for takeout - how are you playing a rebid of 2♥ by Opener? A strong 6+♦ suit and interest in 3NT opposite a ♥ stopper seems pretty normal tbh, kind of like the auction (1♥)-2♦-(P)-P-(X)-2♥. (Edit: note the latter is obviously a bit more limited by the simple overcall but it could still be quite strong.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 Double of 2D=o.k. to lead something other than Diamonds, here. 2H=desire to compete with probably 4-6 in pointed suits. 2N=delay unusual 6-4 minors. With just long diamonds I bid diamonds. Partners tend to know whether they have the opponents' suit stopped if I show a strong playing hand --without my asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 Double of 2D=o.k. to lead something other than Diamonds, here. There are lots of auctions where anti-lead directing doubles are great, but doubling 2m to say "I opened 1m on three small, please lead something else" takes you a fair way down a road that ends in defending 2m redoubled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 There are lots of auctions where anti-lead directing doubles are great, but doubling 2m to say "I opened 1m on three small, please lead something else" takes you a fair way down a road that ends in defending 2m redoubled.Yes. Failure to double doesn't strongly suggest we want a diamond lead. We have the prudence to have some length in the suit we don't particularly want led. It occurs reasonably often, since we are unlikely to have 4=4=3=2 when hearts are overcalled and supported ---the only time we would have only 3 diamonds; we aren't likely to try it with only 4 crappy diamonds, so it carries two messages ---length and desire for a different lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 I like NLD doubles, but I play them only when we have promised 5+ in one hand or 7+ in both. So, not this auction. Possibly 1♥-1♠-p-2♥. I like "takeout of their suit", too, but I bet none of my partners would take it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I like "takeout of their suit", too, but I bet none of my partners would take it that way.Or they might not like being brought back into the auction at all when the opponents rate to have most of the deck and they haven't previously shown the other suits or much support for the diamonds. The hands where opener still wants to be active would be the long suiters, the two-suiters and the 4-6 (one and a half suits) hands with playing strength. And, IMO, those can be handled without the double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 I prefer to play it as for takeout. That's much safer than passing and then doubling 2♥, because it doesn't commit you to anything. And there's no guarantee that you'll get a chance to double 2♥ - LHO may be about to bid 3♥ or 4♥. Surely if you bid 2♥ now it would be t/o no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Surely if you bid 2♥ now it would be t/o no? Did you actually read the section you quoted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 I play x is to and 2h is a very strong diamond hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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