Phil Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 I had two hands yesterday where I had a difference in evaluation compared with my counterpart. All IMPs, short matches. #1 NV ♠Qx ♥AK8xx ♦AQTx ♣xx 1♥ - 2♥;? #2 ♠AKJ7xx ♥Jx ♦Jxx ♣xx 1♣ - 1♠1N - ? Our 1N opening is a great 14 to 17. 2♣ XY is available if you want so you do not have to jump to game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewj Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Must admit I would bid 3♦ on the first, and 2♣ then 2♠ on the second... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Intuitively it's 3♦ and 2♣->2♠ but I wouldn't be surprised to be wrong on either.I am more confident about 1st one though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 HAND 1 The majority of the time when p has a max I want to be in game so I intend to invite.The major problem is how to invite and a lot depends on your partnership style. In my style I would bid 2s since any help reviving the spade Q will go a long wayto helping us make game. I cannot bid 2s however if p has the ability to jump to4s. I limit p to 3s with a max and 4/5 card spade support. Opener can then decidewhere to play (ie this hand would convert back to hearts). 3d might seem like a decent help suit game try but i really dont need much helpin the dia suit headed by AQT. P may be too happy with xxx xxx KJxx Axx (doublefit an great dia help) where as a p with Kxx xxx Jxxx Axx will down play their hand. HAND 2 I have a weak 2 bid not even close to the top opposite a partner pretty much limited to a not so great maximum of a minimum opening bid. See little upsidehere for game and am happy to settle in 2s. I am not happy with the idea oftrying to preempt the opps further with my AK for defense so I would not bid3s if it was a preemptive bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Game trying on hand 2 is insane to me...would invite with hand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 On the first hand I would invite opposite a constructive raise and pass opposite a standard raise. On the second hand, you didn't give the vulnerability but the insane option (3♠ not 2♠) looks about right to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 I invite on both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Ah I see what happened, thought the second hand was 5332 and was wondering what planet i Was on lol. I would invite with hand 2 also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Hand 1 I would invite, 5.5 losers, 2 fitting cards don't even produce game on a finese, so jumping to game must be wrong. Hand 2 I would invite, but I want to play 3NT mainly, if partner has 2 spades at least by 1NT. Anyway no need to decide just yet, 2♣->2♠ and raise 2NT to 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Without telling you want I did, here's partners hand on both: 1. ♠Axx ♥Jxx ♦98x ♣Axxx 2. ♠Q ♥ATx ♦KTxx ♣AJT9x Knowing partner's hand do you want to be in game on both? One? Neither? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 On #1, I have a 3H rebid that asks prime cards to go 4H. The theory is no help suit tried so scatterred A,K needed.On #2, try 2C->2S, maybe partner can see 6xS for tricks - I surely see no side entry to this hand, 3NT must have Spades come in, so I'm sorely tempted to insist 4S if game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Looks like we want to be in game with hand 2 but not hand 1; unfortunately I'd invite on both and get to the dodgy game on the first one. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Without telling you want I did, here's partners hand on both: 1. ♠Axx ♥Jxx ♦98x ♣Axxx 2. ♠Q ♥ATx ♦KTxx ♣AJT9x Knowing partner's hand do you want to be in game on both? One? Neither? i would have invited on both and yes i'd like to be in game on both opposite partner's hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 HSGT on #1 and 2♣ -> 2♠ (invite) on #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 I invited on 2, but not 1. Pard bid 3N on the 2nd and I chose to pass. Would you run to 4♠? On 1, the hand nor the defense couldn't have been friendlier. I received the ♠J lead and a diamond shift. I rose Ace, ♥AK (Q dropped) and misguessed diamonds (KJxx was onside) so I made 4. Lose 6. On 2, neither 3N or 4♠ is that great double dummy, but 4♠ is better. I think the opening leader had something like xx Kxxxx Axxx Qx. On a trump lead, you need to time it right and guess diamonds. 3N wasn't making and we lost 9 to the 170 at the other table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 On 2, I would bid 2♣ then 3♠ which I think leaves partner with a very clear 4♠. If it went 2♣-2♠ and he bid 3NT then you have to guess. When there is a chance to play in 3NT with an eight card major fit, I really prefer it if both partners know about the fit and can choose whether their hand is right for 3NT, rather than just ending there because one player chose to conceal their suit length. Hence my preference for 3♠ to let partner decide. There is a risk of 3♠-1 when you could have stopped in 2♠, but playing the right game is pretty important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowerline Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 I invited on 2, but not 1. Pard bid 3N on the 2nd and I chose to pass. Would you run to 4♠? On 1, the hand nor the defense couldn't have been friendlier. I received the ♠J lead and a diamond shift. I rose Ace, ♥AK (Q dropped) and misguessed diamonds (KJxx was onside) so I made 4. Lose 6. On 2, neither 3N or 4♠ is that great double dummy, but 4♠ is better. I think the opening leader had something like xx Kxxxx Axxx Qx. On a trump lead, you need to time it right and guess diamonds. 3N wasn't making and we lost 9 to the 170 at the other table. I think it's normal to be in game with both hands at IMPs... 4♥ making on the first and 4♠ down one (probably) on the second. Steven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Without telling you want I did, here's partners hand on both: 1. ♠Axx ♥Jxx ♦98x ♣Axxx 2. ♠Q ♥ATx ♦KTxx ♣AJT9x Knowing partner's hand do you want to be in game on both? One? Neither? I'm in the school of bringing back plus scores. Would have passedboth hands. Partner seems to have the absolute max and it stillisn't clear that games are better than 50/50. I plan to continueto pass in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 I'm in the school of bringing back plus scores. How do your teammates react when you miss a game and you give them this argument? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 It is better to have bid game and lost than to have never bid game at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 How do your teammates react when you miss a game and you give them this argument? I love the match when I missed two games. Won both boards. Opponents bid the wrong game and went down on both boards. Surprised none of you play the newer style(been around nearly 20 years). Never invite. Jump to game or pass. New suits are slam tries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I love the match when I missed two games. Won both boards. Opponents bid the wrong game and went down on both boards. Surprised none of you play the newer style(been around nearly 20 years). Never invite. Jump to game or pass. New suits are slam tries. Good luck performing this with a modern wide ranging opening style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 It is better to have bid game and lost than to have never bid game at allMust be missing something.I like to win. Anything else is secondary. :lol: Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I had two hands yesterday where I had a difference in evaluation compared with my counterpart. All IMPs, short matches. #1 NV ♠Qx ♥AK8xx ♦AQTx ♣xx 1♥ - 2♥;?I do not like this problem and would have opened 1NT. Admittedly not always a success, but not always a disaster either. Opposite 1. ♠Axx ♥Jxx ♦98x ♣Axxx 3NT is a great contract when bid in an uninformative sequence. I like my chances single dummy. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I think picturing full hands for partner at an early stage is a very bad idea, let him at least make a bid! Going to the extreme you could picture hands where opening 7 in your void is the best action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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