Several bidding questions on slam hand

[bd71]

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Matchpoints.

 

Q1. After this unusual sequence where North waits until Round 2 to interfere and all East has done is make a 2D waiting bid, East's X should still show a bust and Pass shows values, right?

 

Q1A. This auction made us realize we haven't defined the strength that responder to 2C opener needs to pass after interference. What are recommended agreements here?

 

Q2. How do you feel about slam propsects as West after 4H bid?

[cloa513]

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Matchpoints.

 

Q1. After this unusual sequence where North waits until Round 2 to interfere and all East has done is make a 2D waiting bid, East's X should still show a bust and Pass shows values, right?

 

Q1A. This auction made us realize we haven't defined the strength that responder to 2C opener needs to pass after interference. What are recommended agreements here?

 

Q2. How do you feel about slam propsects as West after 4H bid?

Q1A Depends on your agreements with your partner- though I think partner should have just jumped to game with such good heart fit and nothing extra to say- though that JD might have been something to say.

 

 

Q2. Not great- partner should be able to make other forward moving bid to indicate great shape and extra values- I'd say he has to be supporting hearts.

[aguahombre]

Q1) Yes, but not that hand; something like JXX 9X XXXX KXXX, maybe. The OP hand is a simple 3H raise with 4-cd support and a prime card in the hand.

 

Q1a) No "second negative" for us with any hand willing to play game opposite a 2C opener, even just barely.

 

Q2) No need to "feel". After a simple 3H raise, I can cue 3S and partner will show nothing else by bidding 4H.

[masse24]

Q1) Yes, Pass shows values. The delayed entry into the auction is a bit strange but I would still treat the responder pass the same.

 

Q1A) To Pass interference in a 2♣ auction to show "values" I would think it requires anything you would NOT consider to be in the double-nagative category. This hand with a K and J barely qualifies as "values".

 

Q2) Since ♥'s were not bid previously, the Kokish 3♥ shows a "single suited" hand with ♥'s, and, it should set trumps (does it? have you made this agreement?). I would think anything above that is a control bid by East. But, he went straight to game. So, even though partner's previous pass showed "values" greater than a double-negative, it's time to back off. Partner initially told us he had values and has further defined his hand (saying "I have nothing more") with the 4♥ bid.

 

:)

[ahydra]

1) If 2D is just waiting then yes you should have some agreement like "pass shows values, X = negative". If 2D is negative then it's not so exciting but you might as well use a similar agreement (pass = upper end of negative range, X = lower end).

 

1A) After something like 2C-(2S), I'd probably play X (negative) as about a flat 5 count or less.

 

2) The West hand is huge, but partner might have cuebid if he had something useful, and you do have 4 losers where often 2C openers have 3. Pass is probably the right call.

 

Having said that, if 2H Kokish here can only be either hearts or BAL, East might bid 3H over 2S - he doesn't mind if 3NT comes back. Now after West's 3S cuebid East can bid 4H, again emphasising that he has nothing exciting in his hand. I see aguahombre already suggested this.

 

ahydra

[aguahombre]

We have a recurring theme: intervening call has taken up very little room. We should be able to use double and pass (otherwise not available) for something useful; but we should not hamstring ourselves from carrying on with our auction.

 

2♣(P) 2♦ (P)

2♥(2♠) ?

 

They have given us Double for no fit and very weak.

They have given us Pass for no fit and some values (like a negative double)

They have given us 2NT to really show a spade stop.

 

They have not taken away raises: simple raise with at least one control card somewhere, and jump raise with support, but crap.

 

They have not taken away natural new suits with some values ---in fact they have given us 3C, which otherwise would have been an artificial 2nd neg.

 

We like to use what has been given to us, and to use what has not been taken from us. We don't like just sitting there and making partner try to figure out what to do next when we could be helping. We don't like the prospect of having to start unraveling where we belong after lefty raises and we could have raised.

[wyman]

AH: Did you miss that 2H is not necessarily hearts?

 

OP: I would not move as west. Even if you don't have an agreement about whether 3H sets trump, responder certainly had 3S available if he had interest. Thanks opps!

[aguahombre]

AH: Did you miss that 2H is not necessarily hearts?

Yes, I did miss that. Apparently so did Cloa, or he would not have suggested an immediate heart raise over 2s. It also means that, after the pass by east showing at least a little something, and hopefully the inference East could have made a natural call with a suit of his own, East's raise to 4H on the given auction pretty much has shown it all. West should then pass 4H, knowing that with two or more primes East would have bid 3S or a 4m control bid.