Settle and argument

[phil_20686]

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So your opponents are acol players. Which means that 1C promises four clubs. In practice this sequence guarantees an unbalanced hand with 5 clubs and 4 hearts. North cannot have any balanced hand (i.e. not 18-19 NT). Bid, or not?

[aguahombre]

The part about Diamond support or tolerance is tricky. IMO, it doesn't "promise" Diamond support, but my hand pattern suggests she has a couple of them. So, I answered NO.

[BunnyGo]

I'm not bidding, and the caddy on the other side of the room isn't either.

[JLOGIC]

Easy pass to me, I have a stiff spade and clubs locked up. Would not even think about bidding for >1 second

[gszes]

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So your opponents are acol players. Which means that 1C promises four clubs. In practice this sequence guarantees an unbalanced hand with 5 clubs and 4 hearts. North cannot have any balanced hand (i.e. not 18-19 NT). Bid, or not?

 

 

There are very few hands p will x with that are perfect for us to make 5d for ex will p

x with say AQxxx Kxx Qxx xx? probably not. P is much more likely to x with a holding

like AKQxx xxx Qx xxx. So IMO bidding 5d will probably be wrong far too often and there

is a decent chance we will be able to crush 4h.

 

PASS

[Codo]

Pass is so obvious, it must be wrong.

[BunnyGo]

I'd be interested in hearing Fluffy's reasoning for bidding.

[aguahombre]

I'd be interested in hearing Fluffy's reasoning for bidding.

He doesn't like unanimous polls.

[Fluffy]

I missed partner being a passed hand, I hate to leave take out doubles on this vul when I have shape. But being a passed hand its perhaps too much. The other reason for being alone is maybe that I voted without looking at any coment of vote :)

[phil_20686]

Thought I should put up the whole hand:

 

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[dake50]

Thought I should put up the whole hand:

 

S-ruff at opening lead or winning HA sets 4H.

Spade opening lead and wait for DA +HK +CQ to set 5D.

Both close contracts. THIS time.

[Fluffy]

set 5♦ dake? really?

[jdeegan]

:P W's double is really bad. He has TWO defensive tricks. Your overcall doesn't really promise ANY defensive tricks at all. So, if the double is for penalties, it is from hunger.

 

If the double means something else, then what does it mean? W missed the boat (on this particular hand) when he bid 1♠ rather than raising diamonds. Not that bidding 1♠ was wrong, but his LHO jammed the auction, so his diamond support got buried. Too bad, but on some hands you just have to stay fixed. You can't just arbitrarily say that a double showed secondary diamond support just because it happened to work on this particular hand.

[Cyberyeti]

:P W's double is really bad. He has TWO defensive tricks. Your overcall doesn't really promise ANY defensive tricks at all. So, if the double is for penalties, it is from hunger.

 

Is this true for most people ? 1♦ over 1♣ consumes no space so in my world is the soundest of my overcalls and shows a decent hand.

[jdeegan]

Is this true for most people ? 1♦ over 1♣ consumes no space so in my world is the soundest of my overcalls and shows a decent hand.

:P True, and you are vul vs non-vul as well. Still, your overcall might be a lead director or based on a longer than normal suit. I have my doubts about 4♥ making, but there is no 'doubt' card in my bidding box.

[dake50]

set 5♦ dake? really? -- Fluffy

 

*** Play 5D to not lose DA +HK +[C-ruff or lose control in a crossruff plan]

*** Propose your play. Even double dummy!

[aguahombre]

Dake:

 

Non heart lead, otherwise we are going for 6.

 

Win Spade lead, hook club, draw trumps...heart suit is frozen for lefty, so we eventually get to use the heart ace for second club hook.

 

With trump lead, win and draw trumps. first club hook occurs when we win the spade ace in dummy, second hook when we eventually lead a heart to dummy's ace.

 

With Club lead, draw trumps and do same thing.

[jdeegan]

:P This hand and thread illustrates an excellent point that even very good players sometimes overlook. Finding a winning defense is often far from a sure thing. On this hand the defense has two chances (1) Ace and a spade at trick one (not very damn likely in an honest game). (2) Ace and a spade at trick three.

 

I have been kibitzing top level bridge on BBO lately, and even the best players are not even close to 100% on these kind of plays. I am reminded of what Bob Hamman once wrote across his (then) brand new copy of Larry Cohen's book To Bid or Not to Bid: "BID".

[PhilKing]

:P This hand and thread illustrates an excellent point that even very good players sometimes overlook. Finding a winning defense is often far from a sure thing. On this hand the defense has two chances (1) Ace and a spade at trick one (not very damn likely in an honest game). (2) Ace and a spade at trick three.

 

I have been kibitzing top level bridge on BBO lately, and even the best players are not even close to 100% on these kind of plays. I am reminded of what Bob Hamman once wrote across his (then) brand new copy of Larry Cohen's book To Bid or Not to Bid: "BID".

 

Fortunately there is a third chance. Partner switches to a club, we notice we have a singleton spade and switch to it.

[steve2005]

Easy pass to me, I have a stiff spade and clubs locked up. Would not even think about bidding for >1 second

yes how can you think of anything but pass with such great clubs, opp not running away with it

[TheoKole]

Pass and hope that partner leads a trump. I would lead a trump even from Qx. This hand is an exception to the "rule", ask yourself where they will get their tricks? The bidding has crossruff written all over it, lead the Q or x of ♥ according to your inclination, I lead the Q. If partner does not lead a trump, I will probably do so the first chance I get. Whether I will lead the Q or x of ♥ depends on seeing dummy's trumps.

 

Theo

[Cascade]

:P This hand and thread illustrates an excellent point that even very good players sometimes overlook. Finding a winning defense is often far from a sure thing. On this hand the defense has two chances (1) Ace and a spade at trick one (not very damn likely in an honest game). (2) Ace and a spade at trick three.

 

I would expect partner to lead the ♠ A reasonably often when he has it even in an honest game. If I have an ace empty suit I often consider the lead against a suit contract when partner has not raised.

[Lurpoa]

Pass seems the logical thing.

 

But best is to settle this with your partner, not with the rest of the world.

 

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