Vampyr Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 Perhaps he pulled his head out from his magic underpants? [emphasis mine]This is why I do not think that the race is or ever was particularly close. A person may choose Romney in a poll just to express frustration and disappointment at the fact that the President has not accomplished all that he hoped to accomplish. But when it comes down to a person alone in the voting booth, I think that Mormonism is too "out there" for most of the American people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 That Romney is a Mormon makes no difference to me at all. But then, I'm not much interested in what religion people follow — I figure that's their business, at least as long as they don't try to impose their beliefs on me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 If Romney wins he may be better able to govern as a flipflopper:1) He can cut taxes while raising taxes2) He can move towards a smaller govt while increasing spending(more jobs, lower deficit...see above)3) He can take more steps towards a single payer health care system while killing ObamaCare.4) He can take steps against illegal immigration while moving forward on immigration reform.(and going after the hispanic vote)5) He can fight against gay marriage at the federal level while moving it forward at the state level and improving equal rights at the fed level.(he can claim marriage is not a right)6) He can takes steps for cleaner air and water while allowing more coal and oil/gas drilling/pipeline permits It is called compromise or being a politician. :) AGain see how the President did indeed tell Fema to move towards deregulation the other day....not towards more regulations.... See how Romney can demand smaller govt, less regulations and then increase spending on disaster relief.....politics.... See he can be Pro life/anti abortion and then somehow increase spending on women's health issues.... See Romney as president be strongly for border control and then go strongly for the hispanic voting block... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 That Romney is a Mormon makes no difference to me at all. But then, I'm not much interested in what religion people follow — I figure that's their business, at least as long as they don't try to impose their beliefs on me.what an adult attitude you have there... you in the right place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 That Romney is a Mormon makes no difference to me at all. But then, I'm not much interested in what religion people follow — I figure that's their business, at least as long as they don't try to impose their beliefs on me. Well, Mormon missionaries can be pretty aggressive -- have you ever been pursued by them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PassedOut Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 Well, Mormon missionaries can be pretty aggressive -- have you ever been pursued by them?To me, one of the interesting features of Mormonism is its adaptability. Unlike many religions, their church has a built-in mechanism for discarding old principles to conform to the requirements of society. That mechanism allowed them to drop polygamy and to drop their restrictions on blacks. Perhaps other religions should take note of the success that the Mormons have had with that approach. And, quite possibly, that very adaptability has helped guide Mitt Romney in his political career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 To me, one of the interesting features of Mormonism is its adaptability... Perhaps other religions should take note of the success that the Mormons have had with that approach.yeah, it's interesting alright... any religion that can't make up its mind as to its core belief is interesting, i guess... anyway, i don't vote (or not) according to religion, and i don't know anyone who is *not* voting for romney based on his beliefs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 To me, one of the interesting features of Mormonism is its adaptability. Unlike many religions, their church has a built-in mechanism for discarding old principles to conform to the requirements of society. That mechanism allowed them to drop polygamy and to drop their restrictions on blacks. Perhaps other religions should take note of the success that the Mormons have had with that approach. And, quite possibly, that very adaptability has helped guide Mitt Romney in his political career. In other words, being wishy-washy is a positive attribute? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 Pursued, no. Approached, yes. I told 'em to buzz off, they buzzed off. IME, Jehovah's Witnesses are much more aggressive. I dated a Mormon for several years, many years ago. She had the same attitude towards religion as I do. So did her parents. OTOH, it turns out there are two main branches of Mormonism. Her family were "Reformed LDS" if I remember correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 In other words, being wishy-washy is a positive attribute? In Mormonism in general (perhaps not in Mitt Romney) it is not a case of being wishy-washy. The thing is that they have prophets in the present day who have direct communication with God. So when God changes his mind about how the church and it members should behave or what they should believe, he tells one of the prophets, who relays the message to the rest of the church. In a way this is one of the least freaky things about Mormonism. After all, other major religions believe that there were once prophets; why shouldn't there be some now? Of course, those other prophets were not elected leaders of an organised religion; presumably God chose them himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 In Mormonism in general (perhaps not in Mitt Romney) it is not a case of being wishy-washy. The thing is that they have prophets in the present day who have direct communication with God. So when God changes his mind about how the church and it members should behave or what they should believe, he tells one of the prophets, who relays the message to the rest of the church. In a way this is one of the least freaky things about Mormonism. After all, other major religions believe that there were once prophets; why shouldn't there be some now? Of course, those other prophets were not elected leaders of an organised religion; presumably God chose them himself. Problem is, when God changes his mind it sort of undermines those ideas about an unchanging God and unchanging morality. It is a cute excuse to confuse, though, and works with some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PassedOut Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Problem is, when God changes his mind it sort of undermines those ideas about an unchanging God and unchanging morality.But it doesn't undermine religions that believe that god learns and adapts along with humanity... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PassedOut Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 more news of the refusal of help from FoxSeems that Fox news was wrong about the supposed orders to "stand down." That still leaves the issue of why the security was not tighter beforehand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Seems that Fox news was wrong about the supposed orders to "stand down." That still leaves the issue of why the security was not tighter beforehand.Fox News wrong? I am astonished and dumbfounded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Seems that Fox news was wrong about the supposed orders to "stand down." That still leaves the issue of why the security was not tighter beforehand.there were orders to stand down, and we'll soon know from whom they came, if not cia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 But it doesn't undermine religions that believe that god learns and adapts along with humanity...A god that learns and adapts....in other words, a human god.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I was not aware that the initial source of the stand down claim was Fox News. Had I been I would have discounted it immediately as Rupert Murdoch has shown with the wiretapping fiasco in England that integrity has no role in any business with which he is associated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Here's the rub, relief organizations have been very clear that they don't need canned food collections in Ohio.What they need is cash. Cold, hard, fungible cash.it's good that you know what they need better than they know themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 But it doesn't undermine religions that believe that god learns and adapts along with humanity... Right. Mormon men get their own planet to be god of after they die; clearly most of the rookie gods have not had much practice. Perhaps Mitt wants to be President just so he can practise for his future planet. In any case, ordering polygamy and then rescinding the order is not really "learning and adapting", since there was no polygamy to speak of in America in the 19th century. Also the issue was not really re-examined until pressure was brought to bear from the United States, particularly involving Utah's application to become a state. And although there was not only prejudice against blacks but even slavery when the Mormon religion began, I don't think any other Christian churches made the exclusion of blacks an actual policy. (I am not sure whether membership was denied, but being a "priest" was; every man is ordained a priest. And no women. Big surprise!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 it's good that you know what they need better than they know themselves I have no doubt that the folks in Staten Island need food. The question at hand is whether collecting canned food in Ohio is an efficient mechanism for distributing food in Staten Island. According the Red Cross and other relief organizations, it isn't.http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/aid-organizations-prefer-cash-to-canned-food/ I know that your head is shoved pretty far up your own arse these days, but you really might want to get out and about a bit more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I know that your head is shoved pretty far up your own arse these days, but you really might want to get out and about a bit more... Problem with getting out when one's head is in that position is that one continually bumps into one's own biases, causing a ricocheting about like a pinball, making one dizzy and prone to making silly statements, or, at least, doing a silly walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 According the Red Cross and other relief organizations, it isn't.http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/aid-organizations-prefer-cash-to-canned-food/and we all know how good the red cross is with such things... i get out and about quite often, thank you... it's why i'm such a success Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Problem with getting out when one's head is in that position is that one continually bumps into one's own biases, causing a ricocheting about like a pinball, making one dizzy and prone to making silly statements, or, at least, doing a silly walk.we should all be as unbiased as you... and don't get me started on your silly (some might say usefully idiotic, but i'm too charitable to do that) posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 we should all be as unbiased as you... don't get me started on your silly (some might say usefully idiotic, but i'm too charitable to do that) posts Gee, Mr. Charitable, thanks ever so much. I was cringing awaiting lukewarm wrath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 and we all know how good the red cross is with such things... i get out and about quite often, thank you... it's why i'm such a success quoting your cited article:Update: (9:40 a.m. 11/2/12): Mr. Molinaro said after his outburst, the Red Cross arrived with the needed soup. In times of crisis and high emotions, we often say things we later wish we hadn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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