Raff90 Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Your partner opens 1NT.How do you bid following hand:♠AQ7♥J1094♦KT9xxx♣Void At my table it was:1NT - 2♣2♠ - 3♣ Asking3♦(one 4 card minor ) - 3♥ asking3♠ 4 card♣ - whats your bid now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Do you have a way to show 4♥ and longer ♦ in your system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 One intriguing option is to just set spades as trumps. 6♠ might be better than 6♦ anyway, and 4♠ might be better than 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 I am a simple man. I bid 2♣ stayman in an effort to find a heart fit, I then bid 3♦ natural and forcing, implying hearts since I did not transfer to diamonds initially, and then I bid 4♠ over 3N since I like my spades for spades and don't like my clubs for notrump. A good partner isn't frightened of 4-3 fits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raff90 Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Well thats the problem. we dont know how to show 4♥ and 6♦.3♦ would be balanced GF with ♥ FIT.For me was actually only one problem.What does 5♦ show? I was scared that my partners takes it as exclusion on ♣. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 The meaning of 1NT - 2♣; 2♠ - 3♦ is balanced with heart fit? That makes little sense to me; if I am wrong on what you wrote then tell us what this would mean please. When I played normal Stayman I used the above sequence for your Baron-style ask (I assume this is what 3♣ is) and 3♣ then showed diamonds. One of these has to show the 4M5+♦ hand unless you get there using an immediate transfer. If your system has no way of showing a basic hand type such as this then I suggest going back to a standard method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 I am a simple man. I bid 2♣ stayman in an effort to find a heart fit, I then bid 3♦ natural and forcing, implying hearts since I did not transfer to diamonds initially, and then I bid 4♠ over 3N since I like my spades for spades and don't like my clubs for notrump. A good partner isn't frightened of 4-3 fits.You aren't as simple as you think. I think pulling 3NT to 4♠ is a big mistake for several reasons. - Doesn't it sound invitational to slam, like a 3451 shaped 14 or 15 count? In fact, I'm pretty much positive that's what it means.- Partner didn't rebid 3♠ over 3♦ so he won't have five spades (that he felt like showing anyway).- Partner didn't rebid 3♥ over 3♦ so he won't be worried about clubs.- It will be very hard to draw trumps and set up diamonds without losing too many tricks in between. Despite the shortness in the 3 trump hand I do not think this will play well in a 4-3 fit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 You aren't as simple as you think. I think pulling 3NT to 4♠ is a big mistake for several reasons. - Doesn't it sound invitational to slam, like a 3451 shaped 14 or 15 count? In fact, I'm pretty much positive that's what it means.- Partner didn't rebid 3♠ over 3♦ so he won't have five spades (that he felt like showing anyway).- Partner didn't rebid 3♥ over 3♦ so he won't be worried about clubs.- It will be very hard to draw trumps and set up diamonds without losing too many tricks in between. Despite the shortness in the 3 trump hand I do not think this will play well in a 4-3 fit. I'd like to add the fact that you may need to ruff clubs with Spade honors.I'd be much happier in a Moysian holding Axx in Spades and moving that queen into the Diamond suit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raff90 Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Well after the 3♠ response you know that partner has 4-(2/3)-(2/3)-4 has.Question is 5♦ exclusion? the reason i bid 4♦ was that my partner easier understands that ive got ♦.he bid 4nt and then i rebid 5♦. we ended up in 6D which we shouldnt have 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 This is an example where I'd much rather show my shape than ask about partner's. The fact that partner has four clubs really helps me not at all; if they are four small clubs then 3NT won't make on a club lead, whereas we might be cold for 6♦ (or 6♠). If he has a club holding like ♣AQJx then 3NT is probably the limit of the hand. My preference would be to show my distribution as accurately as possible; in my preferred methods: 1NT - 3♦(1)3♠(2) - 3NT(3) (1) 3-4♠, 3-4♥, 4+♦, 0-1♣; basically a three-suiter short in clubs but can be a bit off shape; GF.(2) Four spades, not four hearts.(3) No major fit; thus 3451 or 3460 or 3361. Willing to play 3NT if partner has good club cards. Now partner can pass, or bid 4♣ to show a really excellent hand for slam (no wasted club values), or otherwise suggest various strains. If not playing my preferred methods, I will try stayman followed by 3♦ (natural, forcing to game) and then pass if partner tries 3NT. Hopefully this means he has good clubs since I have shown a whole bunch of red cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straube Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Similar to awm 1N-2S. (size ask/relay)2N-3D weak, short clubs with 4+ diamonds3S-3N natural, 3451 or 3460 On the actual auction, I think pass is clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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