Bbradley62 Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 [hv=lin=pn|neophiliac,~~M14216,~~M14214,~~M14215|st%7C%7Cmd%7C3S8H36KADKC3589QKA%2CS2579TH8JD236QC26%2CS346H279TQD57TC4J%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%205%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor%20suit%20opening%20--%203%2B%20D%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7C3C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4C%7Can%7C2%2B%20C%3B%2011-%20HCP%3B%2012-%20total%20points%3B%203-%20controls%20%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CTakeout%20double%20--%202-%20C%3B%203-5%20D%3B%203-4%20H%3B%203-4%20S%3B%2021-%20HCP%3B%2014-22%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cr%7Can%7C7%2B%20C%3B%2010-%20HCP%3B%203%2B%20total%20points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CDA%7C]360|270[/hv]No explanation provided for 3♣, although it's built in to the explanation of the redouble, {edit: and nothing like the hand that human South actually holds}. Does East really have a hand suitable for his double? Does West really have a hand suitable for his final pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuburules3 Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 [hv=lin=pn|neophiliac,~~M14216,~~M14214,~~M14215|st%7C%7Cmd%7C3S8H36KADKC3589QKA%2CS2579TH8JD236QC26%2CS346H279TQD57TC4J%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%205%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor%20suit%20opening%20--%203%2B%20D%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7C3C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4C%7Can%7C2%2B%20C%3B%2011-%20HCP%3B%2012-%20total%20points%3B%203-%20controls%20%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CTakeout%20double%20--%202-%20C%3B%203-5%20D%3B%203-4%20H%3B%203-4%20S%3B%2021-%20HCP%3B%2014-22%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cr%7Can%7C7%2B%20C%3B%2010-%20HCP%3B%203%2B%20total%20points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CDA%7C]360|270[/hv]No explanation provided for 3♣, although it's built in to the explanation of the redouble. Does East really have a hand suitable for his double? Does West really have a hand suitable for his final pass? I don't know about E, but my experience is that GIB has no ability to deal with XX. It frequently seems to pass out of confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgi Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 3♣ missing explanation is - Aggressive weak jump overcall -- 7+ ♣; 10- HCP; 3+ total points GIB simulated to reopen with X, otherwise book bid is Pass. But after sim it almost always reopens likely due 17TP. No chance GIB to predict human is making preempts with GF values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Even thinking south is much weaker (with north stronger), and moving dk to East, shouldn't west be pulling anyway? I think GIB passes takeout doubles way too often with shapely weak hands. What's west's estimate of 4s making vs. 4c going down? I think on these kind of decisions, leaving in takeout doubles, west should be using looser definition of the opponents bids, leave room for heavier than normal preempts, otherwise it will have these 4c-x or xx making way too often. Not as heavy as actual South, but enough that with a stronger North it's right to take out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloa513 Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 [hv=lin=pn|neophiliac,~~M14216,~~M14214,~~M14215|st%7C%7Cmd%7C3S8H36KADKC3589QKA%2CS2579TH8JD236QC26%2CS346H279TQD57TC4J%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%205%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor%20suit%20opening%20--%203%2B%20D%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7C3C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4C%7Can%7C2%2B%20C%3B%2011-%20HCP%3B%2012-%20total%20points%3B%203-%20controls%20%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CTakeout%20double%20--%202-%20C%3B%203-5%20D%3B%203-4%20H%3B%203-4%20S%3B%2021-%20HCP%3B%2014-22%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cr%7Can%7C7%2B%20C%3B%2010-%20HCP%3B%203%2B%20total%20points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CDA%7C]360|270[/hv]No explanation provided for 3♣, although it's built in to the explanation of the redouble, {edit: and nothing like the hand that human South actually holds}. Does East really have a hand suitable for his double? Does West really have a hand suitable for his final pass?How come North thinks its hand is suitable for a raise to 4♣- its absolutely abysmal given the normal definition of 3♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlRitner Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 How come North thinks its hand is suitable for a raise to 4♣- its absolutely abysmal given the normal definition of 3♣. Very good question. Lots of strange things going on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgi Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 North's 4♣ is fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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