6level competition

[PhilKing]

we have 9 black cards and partner bid 4♣ to ask us to evaluate double fit, it can't be very wrong to do so, but the 4♣ bid is not right so it makes double look worse than it actually is.

 

If double is gonna be understood as marginal fit in clubs I think it is right.

 

Give partner the club queen in adition to the cards he held and it's difficult to criticise his bidding too strongly (for anyone who hasn't looked up his hand it was ♠K653 ♥- ♦9763 ♣K8732).

 

But the club queen makes no difference if South has the wit to lead a club (and it's an easier lead from xxxx than Qxxx). It's all very well that double shows a marginal club fit, but we need to be able to draw trumps to stop ruffs when partner bids. Since North is likely to have the ♠A for his slam try, doubling 5♣ just asks for trouble, and there would be no one left to blame. :(

[Fluffy]

a 4♣ bid is intended to tell partner that: diamond honnors are slightly defensive, club honnors are very offensive, club lenght is very offensive, club shortness is defensive.

 

From the 4 info that it transmits, only the last 2 are true.

 

4045 is not about clubs and spades, its about heart shortness, he should bid 4♠.

 

I would like more a 4♣ bid with ♣QJxxx than KQxxx at least it tells partner aobut the use of ♣K if he holds it.

[PhilKing]

I would like more a 4♣ bid with ♣QJxxx than KQxxx at least it tells partner aobut the use of ♣K if he holds it.

 

Bidding 4♣ tells pard that any length and strength in clubs is good for offence. Doing it on QJxxx and not KQxxx is crackers.

 

If our hand were AJxxxx xx xx AJx, we make 11 tricks in spades if North has a stiff club, and we probably don't get there without the 4♣ bid. Our actual hand is junk and just should not get involved.

[kayin801]

I doubled 5♣ to show we have double fits and sacrifice is possible. Is it bad ?

Now I obviously didn't consider 6♠ myself. I thought my options were pass or double. Pass having this disadvantage/advantage that partner will save with: say Kxxx - xxx KQxxxx which rates to be great for us if they really have ♣ void. It will be a disaster if they haven't though.

Another thing is that it enables us 5S sacrifice vs 5H which rates to be great w/e they have but maybe I should've tried 5S myself ?

 

On this auction I would consider bidding 5♠ myself and consider defending 5 or 6♥. 5♠ now or over 5♣ seems better if I didn't want to defend 5♥. I don't see why we need to get partner involved in this decision, how different a hand can he have from the one he held? Once we X 5♣, we've told partner that he is allowed to think for himself, maybe put our ♥K into ♠s to double 5♣ since our hand is now more offensive. We are actually holding a bunch of defense and we know a lot more about partner's hand so we are the ones who need to determine how far to compete. I for one don't think west is all that crazy: "I have a heart void, 4 card support, and diamond length so partner may be short, AND partner wants my opinion?" 6♠ isn't that unreasonable a bid.