lalldonn Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Fred G and Curtis C both said 4-6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Presumably Hampson sometimes forgets to overcall 1♦, so needs a delayed 2N as 55. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Phil, I think you mentioned a similar sequence recently - 1D-p-1H-p; 1N-2C as 5D4C. Not an idea I've come across before, but I like it, if only to stop one of my partners from wandering back in with 2C to show a hand too bad to overcall 2C or 3C the first time! Any pitfalls to this agreement, e.g. situations where it is unclear if it should apply? There is at least one auction where it's unclear what the implied suit is:1♦-pass-1♥-pass2♥-2♠I think that could have either minor, but you might prefer to play that it's definitely diamonds. And you'd need to define what a "live auction" is. For example, what about this one:1♠-pass-1NT-pass2♣-2♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 I can't believe someone can't overcall 1♦ with 5 and now wants to act, except if the diamonds are so horrible that they look like 4. I would bid 2NT in a flash, but my opponents don't belong to this forum so not a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 There is at least one auction where it's unclear what the implied suit is:1♦-pass-1♥-pass2♥-2♠I think that could have either minor, but you might prefer to play that it's definitely diamonds. And you'd need to define what a "live auction" is. For example, what about this one:1♠-pass-1NT-pass2♣-2♦ On the first, its the suit you could not show - so it's diamonds and spades. You are showing a good hand that could not act on the first round because they opened your suit. With clubs you make, of all things, a natural overcall on the first round. On the second, why would that not be a live auction? They could have 18 opposite 11, and I could hardly imagine a worse time to bid 2♦ on a diamond only hand that was not srong enough to act earlier. In this one I would be 55, but it's not really a great auction for any overcall, so I would have to be very strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 I thought there was a second problem: if you decide to act, should you bid 2NT or 3♣? The benefits of 2NT are obvious, but as Justin says it also makes it easier for them to catch you - LHO can double 2NT to show values, then RHO can double the final contract. And they might even be playing a double of a direct 3♣ as a game-try, or be uncertain as to whether it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Bidding 2C over 1D holding 5C4M isn't great in my experience, so I can see passing then bidding to show both suits in one go as Gnasher suggested. I agree that the second auction isn't safe but showing a five-five fit with RHO doesn't seem that useful either. It seems odd to decline to use our 2NT gadget on the original hand when our hand rates to play many tricks better in a 4-4 fit than a 6-1 fit, but maybe there's a case for it - you might be able to judge to remove to 3D yourself based on table presence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Bidding 2C over 1D holding 5C4M isn't great in my experience, so I can see passing then bidding to show both suits in one go as Gnasher suggested. I agree that the second auction isn't safe but showing a five-five fit with RHO doesn't seem that useful either. You have a delayed take-out double available with 4♠5♣ to show this hand or three-suited. You can play Two Spades as 45 46 with diamonds. I like 46 in this one. I prefer the 55 interpretation when you are potentially playing in RHO's 4 card major. Here, with 5♠5♦ you just overcall and then bid diamonds. It's a potentially suicidal auction, so it has to show an unusual hand where we were stuck on the first round, otherwise you can't really have a good enough hand to act. Clearly Two Clubs on the first round with 45 shape is not ideal, but with a decent hand it's better than passing, and you don't always get a convenient way back into the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 1S-P-1N-P; P-2H vs a strong NT/4cM pair. Not a live auction, but 5S4H sounds like a useful handtype to show. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 1S-P-1N-P; P-2H vs a strong NT/4cM pair. Not a live auction, but 5S4H sounds like a useful handtype to show. Thoughts? Agree it's probably best. Not in my definition though, I just play it as the bad overcall there! It would logically apply to two minor as well. 55 obviously possible as well, 54 only with good suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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