broze Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=sakj8543hj8d5cj53&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=p]133|200[/hv] Matchpoints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Almost no defense and suggesting a sacrifice at this vulnerability is to much like walking a tight rope. 2s lets p know aboutthe overall weakness of your hand yet at these colors alsoshows good enough spades to play opposite a singleton.p need not fear spade losers and can invite with less thannormal due to knowing the spade suit is better than normal. Preemption at a low level eliminating trump suit worries for pand showing little to no defense all wrapped up in a nice cozy 2s bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Obvious 3♠ for me. Very sound 7 card suit, nothing outside. At this vulnerability, I would consider 2♠ if the shape was 7222 or if the suit was weaker. But with this hand, I have no doubts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 This has to be the most normal 2nd seat red 3♠ bid ever. There is nothing remotely interesting about this problem. #forumfail 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broze Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 This has to be the most normal 2nd seat red 3♠ bid ever. There is nothing remotely interesting about this problem. #forumfail Fair enough. I did actually bid 3♠ at the table but felt I might be a bit heavy and we went on to miss a game. If p has a singleton/void spade, how many points should he need to raise? Are there any hands where he might want to play 3NT instead - I can't think of (m)any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 It is not a question of points - it is a question of tricks. For a vul opposite nonvul 3♠ bid in second seat, one should assume that the bidder has close to 7 tricks. So, responder should bid game if he can produce 3 tricks opposite a typical 7-3-2-1 shaped hand. This is not an exact science, as you don't know for sure if a side suit KQ holding will produce a useful trick for partner. But you can be pretty sure that aces will produce tricks and the A, K or Q of trumps will produce a trick. A spade void would be a negative factor. Partner might be assuming that his AKQxxxx of spades is worth 7 tricks. But opposite a spade void, it rates to produce only 6 tricks. A singleton spade is not a plus, but it is not a big minus, either. Partner expects that you would have no more than 2 spades on average, and a singleton spade is not that far off. As for your second question - whether it makes sense to bid 3NT on some hands. The answer is clearly yes. The most obvious hand for a 3NT bid would be something like this: KxxAxxxKxxAxx You can be reasonably sure that your side has 7 spade tricks (assuming partner has at least Axxxxxx for his 3 bid at this seat and vul) and you have 2 sure side tricks. Furthermore, you need to protect your ♦K from being led through on opening lead. 4♠ might still make, but you can only count 9 tricks - partner's seven spades and your two aces. If the ♦A is behind the K, there might not be a 10th trick in a spade contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Fair enough. I did actually bid 3♠ at the table but felt I might be a bit heavy and we went on to miss a game... But what did partner have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Normal 3♠ opening. Expect the field to make the same call, so nothing to sweat if you go -200 or partner has some magic cards in clubs and you make 170. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiros Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 Fair enough. I did actually bid 3♠ at the table but felt I might be a bit heavy and we went on to miss a game. If p has a singleton/void spade, how many points should he need to raise? Are there any hands where he might want to play 3NT instead - I can't think of (m)any. Did both of your side-suit jacks end up working? Opening 3♠ is clear. Second seat red on white, you really need to have the goods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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