Trinidad Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 And, on a more esoteric note, what is the plural of "second bite of the cherry"?"second, third and fourth bite of the cherry" ;) Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 I agree with gnasher but maybe it should be 'second bites at cherries' instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 second bites at the cherry.Agree, otherwise it would be a second bite at a different cherry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Agree, otherwise it would be a second bite at a different cherry.Which is exactly the intended meaning. I believe lamford is looking for the correct form of "Are second bites of/at (cherry/cherries/...) allowed?" Each situation forms a different cherry, and in each case one of the players wants to have two bites of that particular situation/cherry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 I think that it is important to keep the sense that it is one cherry, with multiple bites being taken of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 I think that it is important to keep the sense that it is one cherry, with multiple bites being taken of it.Are you sure that this is the question? In that case it would be 'third bite of the cherry' and in general 'subsequent bite(s) of the cherry' but I think the point is there are many cherries and there are two bites taken of each. At least this is how I interpret the question: the point is not that East doubles again and again and again, with S presumably bidding spades again and again but that there are many of these situations where someone wants to take a second bite at that particular cherry. East has maybe a Q above minimum but it's an aceless hand with no extra distribution. To me it's a close call, it's not just that I could see myself pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 You can get four bites from one cherry?Sure, if the cherry is big enough or the bites are small enough. Wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richlp Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=skj6542hj3dt8cqj6&w=sqt83hat94d952ct8&n=sa7h765da7643ca92&e=s9hkq82dkqjck7543&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1dp1h(spades)p1n(11-13%2C%20not%204M)d(4H, 5C)2sp(slow)pdppp]399|300[/hv]Hybrid scoring (60% IMPs, 40% BAM) Lead T♣ Table Result EW +200 This was a ruling and an appeal in the Lederer. It appears to just be a judgement issue as to whether Pass is an LA on East's third (corrected, sorry) turn. The players were of a high standard - the holders of the Lederer, and double winners of it. EW argued that double on the previous round could have been around 9-11, but East had significant extras. NS argued that the BIT by West made it easier to find that double. How would you rule? And, on a more esoteric note, what is the plural of "second bite of the cherry"?I don't think there is a plural. "First bite", "Second bite", "Third bite", etc just like "First bit of the byte", "Second bit of the byte", etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 How about "additional bites of the cherry"? This tangential discussion probably belongs in the Water Cooler.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 you can have `two bites of a cherry', but `the second bite' is not a plural. You certainly cannot have `second bites' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellSpyder Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I think that it is important to keep the sense that it is one cherry, with multiple bites being taken of it.I think it is important to remember that if you ask a sensible question and a trivia question in the same OP, you are likely to get far more answers to the unimportant question that the one you really intended to ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 you can have `two bites of a cherry', but `the second bite' is not a plural. You certainly cannot have `second bites' There are two people and two cherries. Fred takes a bite from Cherry 1. The he takes a second bit from Cherry 1. Next, Bill takes a bite from Cherry 2. The he takes a second bite from Cherry 2. How many "second bites" is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 There are two people and two cherries. Fred takes a bite from Cherry 1. The he takes a second bit from Cherry 1. Next, Bill takes a bite from Cherry 2. The he takes a second bite from Cherry 2. How many "second bites" is that?I want to know where these people are getting their cherries. I tried to buy some yesterday and they seem to have suddenly gone out of season. Unless Fred & Bill have bought them all up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I want to know where these people are getting their cherries. I tried to buy some yesterday and they seem to have suddenly gone out of season. Unless Fred & Bill have bought them all up.I'm sure any cherries bought this time of the year will taste disgusting, therefore I have no idea why people would take even one bite thereof, let alone two. I also want to know whether really this many people are ignoring my posts, I resolved the dilemma long ago but people are still posting the wrong answer. At the risk of derailing this thread :), which one is correct? Bite from/at/of a cherry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I don't think there is a plural. "First bite", "Second bite", "Third bite", etc just like "First bit of the byte", "Second bit of the byte", etc.Just the same as Andy's cherry example. Say I have a datastream and take the second bit of every byte in the stream and transfer this into a database. I now have a database of second bits. You can even have two second bites at a stretch. Say we agree to take turns biting a cherry. I take a bite, you take a bite. Then I take a second bite but it contains a worm and I spit it out. "That bite doe not count," say I and take a second second bite. So I took two second bites. Now you take a second bite - that is 3 second bites of the cherry. Logically there is no proper answer to the plural for second bite of the cherry, not because it does not exist but rather because you have to specify what is in plural - the cherry or the bite or both. To take a bridge equivalent, it is the same as asking the plural of a card from the deck. Cards from the deck, card from the decks and cards from the decks are all possible but have different meanings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I'm sure any cherries bought this time of the year will taste disgusting, therefore I have no idea why people would take even one bite thereof, let alone two.Apparently Blackshoe has been genetically engineering the cherries to make them big enough to get four bites from, so they may not be safe to eat anyway. At the risk of derailing this thread http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif, which one is correct? Bite from/at/of a cherry?A "bite at the cherry" is the action of biting it, not necessarily successfully. A "bite of the cherry" is a piece of cherry that was removed by biting. I think a "bite from the cherry" might be either, but if it's the action it implies success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 which one is correct? Bite from/at/of a cherry?When you google the phrase, you get, on the first page, seven of the phrase "second bite of the cherry" and four of the phrase "second bite at the cherry", a total of 22 bites I think. One entry has both, as there are ten entries per page. All we really can conclude is that "second bite from the cherry" is likely to lose its deposit ... In Tiger Woods' case it is probably "a second bite from Cherry", or "a second bite of Cherry". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 To take a bridge equivalent, it is the same as asking the plural of a card from the deck. Cards from the deck, card from the decks and cards from the decks are all possible but have different meanings."Card from the decks" is possible but it is definitely not a plural of "card from the deck". The noun we are talking about is the card, so that is definitely in plural ("from the deck" is just a modifier). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I don't think 73C is supposed to force you to do something stupid, just because you have UI.I agree. I suggest that it lowers the bar so that if there is any chance you would select a demonstrably suggested bid you have to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I think a "bite from the cherry" might be either, but if it's the action it implies success. Or perhaps it means that the cherry bites you. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Pretty soon now I'm gonna take all these extraneous posts and move them… somewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I want to know where these people are getting their cherries. I tried to buy some yesterday and they seem to have suddenly gone out of season. The problem is that some people are only taking two bites out of them and moving on to the next cherry, discarding the rest of the first cherry. Not enough people are taking third and fourth bites from the same cherry, hence the increased consumption and resultant shortage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 The problem is that some people are only taking two bites out of them and moving on to the next cherry, discarding the rest of the first cherry. Not enough people are taking third and fourth bites from the same cherry, hence the increased consumption and resultant shortage.As mentioned above, these people are probably concerned about their dental health: after two bites of a normal cherry there is scarcely more left than the stone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMB1 Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 In the South-West there is a saying - don't take three bites a cherry once september is out - but I can't do the accent <_< I think the answer to the original questions is "bites at the cherry subsequent to the first" If there was bridge question somewhere - sorry - no idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted October 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 As mentioned above, these people are probably concerned about their dental health: after two bites of a normal cherry there is scarcely more left than the stone.If you first take one bite at the cherry, just avoiding the stone (that would be the obvious reason to bite a cherry) and then bite the other side -again just avoiding the stone- there is still quite a bit of cherry left "in the shadow of the stone". When I eat cherries there won't be a second bite. But when someone does take bites at a cherry, then it follows from the geometry of the cherry as well as the circular bite movement that after the first bite there will be a second one as well as a third. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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