shevek Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Normal is1♦ - 1♠2♣ - 3♠ as invitational, 6-carder & say 9-11 HCP There is a case for treating1♣ - 1♠2♣ - 3♠ as forcing. Who does that? Does your answer depend on whether you play weak jump shifts? Or form of scoring? (Might want to "correct" 2♣ to 2♠ at matchpoints, but not IMPs) Do you play Bourke relay or similar? TIA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiros Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 There is a case for treating1♣ - 1♠2♣ - 3♠ as forcing. Who does that? Richard Pavlicek, for one. http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif I can't make the call as to which treatment has more merit, but the 3♠ bid as invitational is so common that that's the way I play it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevahound Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Normal is1♦ - 1♠2♣ - 3♠ as invitational, 6-carder & say 9-11 HCP There is a case for treating1♣ - 1♠2♣ - 3♠ as forcing. Who does that? Does your answer depend on whether you play weak jump shifts? Or form of scoring? (Might want to "correct" 2♣ to 2♠ at matchpoints, but not IMPs) Do you play Bourke relay or similar? TIA I play this as forcing (with invites going through a 2 red rebid), but it's wildly non-standard. For me, it makes sense on it's own, plus it meshes well with my xyz type auctions where 3 level jump rebids are always GF (at the minimum). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowerline Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Normal is1♦ - 1♠2♣ - 3♠ as invitational, 6-carder & say 9-11 HCP There is a case for treating1♣ - 1♠2♣ - 3♠ as forcing. Who does that? Does your answer depend on whether you play weak jump shifts? Or form of scoring? (Might want to "correct" 2♣ to 2♠ at matchpoints, but not IMPs) Do you play Bourke relay or similar? TIA I do, because I play weak jump shifts. I also like to play the Bourke Relay/3SF, but I will only use that with a 6crd major if the suit is too bad for a jump rebid. Steven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 TWO ways to bid 3S : 1C - 1S2C - 3S ( invitational ) 1C - 1S 2C - 2D! ( cheapest new suit forcing, may be artificial )2NT/3C - 3S ( GF ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 inv but a bit stronger than most 9 hcp pt hands. that means a 2s rebid can be quite a wide range here. 2d would be art. gf. 1c then 2c could be quite lite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 There is a good case for playing all the 1-1-1-3s as GF. I do it with several of my partners and believe it beats the pants off of making all these hands go through FSF. But yes, it doesn't seem to be as common now as it was, except among Pavlicek devotees. Don't know why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 2d over 2c is not fsf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 There is a good case for playing all the 1-1-1-3s as GF. I do it with several of my partners and believe it beats the pants off of making all these hands go through FSF. 2d over 2c is not fsf 2♦ over 2♣ is also not a 1-1-1-3 auction. Siegmund was talking about a different set of auctions from the OP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 inv but a bit stronger than most 9 hcp pt hands. that means a 2s rebid can be quite a wide range here. 2d would be art. gf.What Mike says is our choice, sort of. However: --9's are not involved in invitational bids except in response to a 1NT opening.--The WJS inference mentioned by some doesn't apply because our ceiling for that is 5 pts.--2S rebid 6-10--3S NF 11-12. IMO, the 10-count invites are fine after a 1NT rebid where at least 2-card support is guaranteed; but when the rebid is 2C there is no guarantee opener has any spades, and our 1-suited invites should be stronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Who does that?I do. Does your answer depend on whether you play weak jump shifts?Yes. If you play strong jump shifts without any clever stuff, you need 1♣-1♠;2♣-3♠ as invitational. Weak jump shifts make it easy to play this as forcing, because you can play 1♣-1♠;2♣-2♠ as constructive to invitational. Or form of scoring? (Might want to "correct" 2♣ to 2♠ at matchpoints, but not IMPs)No, though the scoring might affect my decision about whether to make a weak-jump-shift on a particular hand. Do you play Bourke relay or similar?In one partnership I play 2♦ as an artificial game-force, but that's not a determing factor in the meaning of 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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