yin970902 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 play sayc,all red.[hv=pc=n&n=sq9863hq3d98642ca&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1h2c2h]133|200[/hv] how to bid? double or 2♠?how about pass?2♠ is weak freedom or not? In other words,2♠ means force 1 or not? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 'Looks' like an unlucky board for us. Our partnership pattern is most likely 7=5=7=7. Our spades are weak. Clubs if partner has KQTxxx or better is probably our best strain. Don't want to encourage partner to lead spades against 2♥ or 3♥.Pass is my choice. Just take our likely -110, -140 or +100. If forced to call, prefer double over 2♠. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsteele Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 play sayc,all red.[hv=pc=n&n=sq9863hq3d98642ca&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1h2c2h]133|200[/hv] how to bid? double or 2♠?how about pass?2♠ is weak freedom or not? In other words,2♠ means force 1 or not? As I am under theopening bidder double is for takout for the other suits. That's my call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 Pass. Not close.Of the 8 HCP 6 are working, but the ♣A is singleton, a deduction.Double shows the other two suits with aobut 9 working HCP, but for some denies 5 ♠ cards. 2♠ would show a better suit in a better hand (KJTxx with 5 working HCP eslewhere). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viren169 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 It is between Pass or double. There is a good chance this hand belongs to us and we have fit in one of the other suits. Double seems to address this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 Pass. Not close. Funny, I think pass is absolutely terrible. Both dbl and 2S are fine imo leaning slightly towards dbl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate_m Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 I'd X but I don't terribly like it. I will definitely sell out to 3H. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 Strange a few of you think the double is clearcut. Now let's look at the bidding from partner's point of view. --------- 1♥ - 2♣2♥ - X - p - ? 1. xxx, Kx, Ax, KQT9xx What should partner bid? 2. Kxx, xx, Ax, KQT9xx What should partner bid? 2♠ will probably fare worst than defending 2♥ is both cases. Qx of hearts is better for defense than offense. If partner has Kx, xxx, Ax, KQT9xx, we may lose 5 or 6 tricks in clubs. 2♥ may even fail. The main advantage of the double is to push opponents to 3♥. We don't really want to declare pass the 2♣ level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 I would pass. I think the hand is too crappy to bid anything.2♠ would be nonforcing - it would be silly not to be able to play 2♠ when we have a spade suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 Strange a few of you think the double is clearcut. Now let's look at the bidding from partner's point of view. --------- 1♥ - 2♣2♥ - X - p - ? 1. xxx, Kx, Ax, KQT9xx2. Kxx, xx, Ax, KQT9xx 2♠ will probably fare worst than defending 2♥ is both cases. lets grant that, in both cases and similar hands, 2s is worse than pass (assuming that 2h fails or wego down too much in 2s. There are a huge number more hands where we have a fairspade or dia fit we will not find any other way than an x here. It is not a good idea toemphasize such a cruddy spade suit (with 2s) when we have the ability to introduce 2 cruddy suits and greatly increase our flexibility. Letting the opps meekly play 2h is justplain going to be a losing option in the long run at imps and MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 dbl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 what is a sayc question doing on this forum? yin seems to think that the other forums are for silly people who seek for suboptimum advice to their problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yin970902 Posted September 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 If a sayc question is not suitable on this forum, I am sorry.Please move to other suitable forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 (edited) Perhaps the protectors of the E-CB would like to prescribe the acceptable styles, systems, and signalling methods allowed to be discussed here. How about a little less elitist posturing. The decision whether to pass or to make a RX is not dependent on SAYC anyway, since it is an available tool in that and most styles. Edited September 23, 2012 by aguahombre 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 what is a sayc question doing on this forum? This thread is really about a contested auction. Whether one is playing SAYC, 2/1, or some other system doesn't affect the responses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 Letting the opps meekly play 2h is justplain going to be a losing option in the long run at imps and MP. Obviously I don't agree with that statement. It's all about the bell curve, 30-40-30. 30% of the boards are lucky. 40% of the board produce about the same number of tricks as trumps. 30% of the boards are unlucky. If we are able to identify the unlucky boards, we will know when to bid less. A singleton in partner's likely six card increases the chances of this being an unlucky board. Only two points in our two five-card suits is negative purity, also unlucky. Qx in opponents' suit. 3 unlucky features on this board. Good chances bidding less will work well on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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