hrothgar Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Free and I got stung by the following hand [hv=n=sj3hkj987dakq8ck4&s=st72h64d9542cajt8]133|200|[/hv] South pass's in first seat and West opens 2♠ Advice on the prgression of the auction is more than welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 i'm having trouble imagining anything other than double, 3♣, 3♦, all pass. but i'm also drunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 I guess double got you into a spot or trouble. You didn't say, matchpoint or imps? Negatives, your heart suit is not so good, you have the worse number of spades. With one more spade, and say a club less, you could pass to see if partner will reopen with something. But with two spades, partner is likely to have 2 or 3 spades himself, so pass is no good. Also 2NT is no good. This leaves 3♥ and double. To be honest with you, I think 3♥ on this suit is just plain wacky, so by process of elimination, I double, being worried that I might get us too high. Ok, what can happen. 1) PArtner can pass, in which case we likley get rich.2) PArtner can bid 3 ♣ (as passed hand, 4♣ he can't bid. I gulp and pass3) Partner can bid 3♦ - alright, I pass a little happier4) PArtner can bid 3♥. Grit my teeth and bid 4♥, because with hearts and yuck I think he will bid 2NT first then correct to 3♥ (lebehnshol).5) PArtner can bid 2NT (lebenshol), and I will grin and bear it and bid 3♣ to see what kind of bad hand parnter has (hopefully diamonds or hearts). So I double and await my partner's pleasure... I do have silent respect for pass. With misho I could bid 3♦ here to show diamonds and hearts over 2♠ (his meta defense over preempts)... but that is to weird to discuss in this thread. I am a diamond short for meta 3♦, but I have EXCELLENT diamonds and we make this bid on this kind of hand. 3♦ meta only says ♦ plus hearts, not how many, so having five ♥ is not horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 I guess you played in 3♣ or 3♥ depending on how North responded to a Lebensohl 2NT. Not an easy hand. p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 ps- 2♠-3♥-psps- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Honestly, I would bid 3♥. I can't handle the continuations after a double; to me, a pull of 3♥ over 2N shows a better hand than what I have. I don't like letting pard play a 4-2 club fit either. If this is a 1♠ opener, a 2♥ call would be rather routine. 3♥ doesn't seem to play too badly on the actual layout. It looks like I just need to find the Q or 10 ♥ with the weak 2 bidder. 3♥ works horribly if partner has a stiff heart and we play the wrong partial. But give partner ♥ Qxx and the A♣, and this is the only way you are sniffing at 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Honestly, I would bid 3♥. I can't handle the continuations after a double; to me, a pull of 3♥ over 2N shows a better hand than what I have. I don't like letting pard play a 4-2 club fit either. If this is a 1♠ opener, a 2♥ call would be rather routine. 3♥ doesn't seem to play too badly on the actual layout. It looks like I just need to find the Q or 10 ♥ with the weak 2 bidder. 3♥ works horribly if partner has a stiff heart and we play the wrong partial. But give partner ♥ Qxx and the A♣, and this is the only way you are sniffing at 4♥. You could start playing equal level conversion and pull 3♣ (after your double) to 3♦. But if I double, an dpartner bids 3♣, i would pass, and if I double and partner bids 2NT I wull bid 3♣ prepared to play 3♣ if he passes. If someone wascks 3♣, I will then begin the equal level conversion and wishing I had the guts to pass 2♠. Oh wel.... that must be it, playing in 4-2 fit. I have done worse. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Would double and after lebensohl end up in 3c undoubled, if they double will run to 3d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Fourrière Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 3♥ looks pretty obvious to me. Do you want to hear 4/5♣ from South if you double and East raises to 3/4♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 I'd bid 3H Richard. Playing equal level conversion you could double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Double with Lebensohl, 3H without. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 25, 2004 Report Share Posted November 25, 2004 Double with Lebensohl, 3H without. And what do you do after Dbl and your partner bids 2NT as lebensohl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikos59 Posted November 25, 2004 Report Share Posted November 25, 2004 Unless I am missing something there is neither vulnerability nor form of scoring. Ironically, both would influence my choice. nikos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 25, 2004 Report Share Posted November 25, 2004 Double with Lebensohl, 3H without. And what do you do after Dbl and your partner bids 2NT as lebensohl? You bid 3D playing "equal level conversion" :mellow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted November 25, 2004 Report Share Posted November 25, 2004 You bid 3D playing "equal level conversion" B) Can you play Equal Level Conversion in this Lebensohl sequence ?I thought they were incompatible after double of a weak 2 ? :mellow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 25, 2004 Report Share Posted November 25, 2004 Hum.. maybe not. The 3D bid would simply mean: "I don't want you to pass 3C, a suit which I cannot play in. So please pick a red suit instead, ok? thx." The GOSH (good one-suited hand) in diamonds would be at the 4-level. I'm growing fonder of the "equal-level correction" gadget, but I where I live it is virtually not used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdulmage Posted November 27, 2004 Report Share Posted November 27, 2004 Bid 3♥ and it will pass out. I don't see any other choice here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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