yunling Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 ♠QJ9732♥9♦-♣AT8542 I want to open this hand 1♠,but my partner think it's crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broze Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Very close for me. One point light though. As I don't have a two-suited bid to show ♠ and ♣ later in the auction I would pre-empt at some level depending on the vulnerabilities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Imps vs MP's and vulnerability really matter. I could go either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 It's not legal to agree to open 1♠ on this hand in England: (from the orange book) 12 C One of a Suit Opening Bids12 C 1 Minimum opening bid strengthThe minimum agreement for opening one of a suit is Rule of 18, or 11 HCP. However apartnership may not agree to open with 7 HCP or fewer even if the hand is at leastRule of 18 That's not to say I wouldn't do it without an agreement to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 I really doubt this type of hand is subject to a jurisdiction's rules about "agreements" for opening bids. As a player, you either judge it to be a strange opening 1-bid, or you don't. And it certainly isn't a psyche if you open 1S. I would be willing to discuss that point with the TD if this hand comes up for a second time in my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 About the closest system bid I can think of is if playing multi and using 2♠ as weak two suiter. But in general, bidding systems aren't designed for freak hands. Neither are regulations. Just wing it. As partner, I would not criticize 1♠, 2♠, or pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 I prefer both pass and 2S to 1S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) 12 C One of a Suit Opening Bids... However a partnership may not agree to open with 7 HCP or fewer even if the hand is at least Rule of 18Is this sentence really talking about hands that meet Rule of 18 but do not have even 8 HCP? So, we're talking about hands with 11-cards in two suits? Edited September 19, 2012 by Bbradley62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 ♠QJ9732♥9♦-♣AT8542 I want to open this hand 1♠,but my partner think it's crazy. It is not "crazy" to open this hand 1S, but you can outbid them later in the auction at any level since you hold the master suit and show a good two suited hand in the process. So pass and using a two suited bid later is more reasonable. Also, you can open 2♠ and have clubs as a surprise. I would pass this hand, reverse the majors, and I would be more active and open...probably 2♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 ♠QJ9732♥9♦-♣AT8542 I want to open this hand 1♠,but my partner think it's crazy. It is not "crazy" to open this hand 1S, but you can outbid them later in the auction at any level since you hold the master suit and show a good two suited hand in the process. So pass and using a two suited bid later is more reasonable. Also, you can open 2♠ and have clubs as a surprise. I would pass this hand, reverse the majors, and I would be more active and open...probably 2♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 It helps to know the vul but I think I would usually pass and try to show my suits later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 I really doubt this type of hand is subject to a jurisdiction's rules about "agreements" for opening bids. As a player, you either judge it to be a strange opening 1-bid, or you don't.So, as a player, we each get to decide when the rules of an RA apply and when they don't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 So, as a player, we each get to decide when the rules of an RA apply and when they don't?The next poster, bill, also explained how freak hands like this are not what the regulations are about. Troll him. I wouldn't open 1S, but those who would are allowed to choose that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 I would not open this hand 1S. If you want to open hands like this, why not consider 2 suited openings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 The good thing about passing is you have limited your hand. Now you can go nuts when the opponents start bidding, not worrying about getting hung by partner. Conversely if you open 1♠, there are a few things that can go wrong: 1. The auction gets too high too quickly and you never get to introduce your clubs.2. Pard doubles them in something and you haven't yet introduced your clubs - what to do? Pard may have several trump tricks when you can't make anything if you decide to take it out, or perhaps he is counting on you for a couple of defensive tricks for your opening, they make, and you had a ten card club fit all along that you could have made 5♣ in.3. Pard insists on bidding lots and lots of red suits, holding a 13-count he assumes we can make game and trying to get out in a black suit partscore is impossible. Either you guess to pass him in a red-suit partscore or continue bidding your hand - if you pass him in a partscore he may have had a 20-count all along and you miss something, or you meekly continue bidding and end up lots down - and if you got doubled, this could have been avoided by passing, and they may open or reply 1♠ or reply 2♣, warning you out of getting into a horrible penalty. Some example auctions of passing making it easy to show your hand, giving pard plenty of info so he won't do anything stupid: P (1NT) P (2♦)2♥ P (1♦) P (1♥)1NT P (1♥) P (2NT)3♥ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 You didn't mention Vulnerability, Position, and scoring. Check out Andrew Gumper'z second tip Better PreemptsDid you think of 3 or 4 ♠?I will open Rule 20/22 hands 1, but this one is too weak on defense for my taste. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsb Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 i think no way to answer that without more precision , but im not a 1S bidder for sure , in 3rd im pretty sure im a 3S bidder , and in first or second i will just pass , lack of value for a level 1 and my p will never be able to see that hand if i open a 2suiter opening . my very humble opinion im sure everything is acceptable but u just need to be consistent on what ur doing and just discuss with partner sylvain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 Pass. I prefer 4S to what ever, but would go with Pass, quite often you know a lotmore if the aucion comes back to you. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 The hand has too much potential for 2♠ imho. I am ok with pass, 1♠, 3♠. Even 4♠ at favorable at IMPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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