32519 Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Dealer = South, N/S Vulnerable As the dealer your pick up this hand:♠ Void♥ 7♦ KQ1082♣ KJ87653 You have zero defence against the majors. So how do you suggest that the bidding should proceed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 open 4NT if I have it available, else pass. ahydra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 The vul sign is not designed to get you to charge like a bull. It is designedtio warn you that bidding can rapidly become dangerous to the health ofyour partnership. It is very difficult to find a successful vulnerable sacrifice. This means any high level bid you make to show these minors has a superbchance of backfiring and this does not even address the issue of the hugedifference btn the 7 card club suit and 5 card dia suit. Since looking for a vul sacrifice is a poor idea you are best off waiting to see ifthere is any way your side has the power to successfully compete. It is veryunlikely the hand will be passed out and you may still find your hand is quiteuseful if p is strong enough. PASS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted September 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 WOW! That’s advice from opposite ends of the scale. At favourable vulnerability or both white, I like the idea of opening the bidding with 4NT. However if partner has a preference for the 5-card suit, I think he should at least be given a playable suit e.g. 3 of the top 5 honours. This hand meets that requirement, so maybe I will choose opening 4NT with this one anyway despite the vulnerability next time I am dealt something similar. The hand records distributed at the end of the tournament indicated the opponents could make either 6♠ or 5♥. No one actually bid the slam. The opening side could make 5♣ on the actual hand layout. Thanks for your ideas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 The vul sign is not designed to get you to charge like a bull. It is designedtio warn you that bidding can rapidly become dangerous to the health ofyour partnership. It is very difficult to find a successful vulnerable sacrifice. This means any high level bid you make to show these minors has a superbchance of backfiring and this does not even address the issue of the hugedifference btn the 7 card club suit and 5 card dia suit. Since looking for a vul sacrifice is a poor idea you are best off waiting to see ifthere is any way your side has the power to successfully compete. It is veryunlikely the hand will be passed out and you may still find your hand is quiteuseful if p is strong enough. PASSSo what does a vulnerable preempt red versus white look like? I refuse to pass with this hand, though your critic of 4NT is justified. I would simply preempt in clubs. 3 ♣ looks right to me and partner will know I have 7 tricks (at least) in my own hand. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 The thing I don't like about 3C is the crappy suit and teh fact we could well belong in diamonds. I'd rather pass and back in later with UNT than open 3C. If it was 7-4 then I would understand a pre-empt in clubs. ahydra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 My initial reaction was to open 4♣, which shows a pretty good hand at these colours - partner will usually raise when we can make game. The way I see it, I am never going to be happy if I pass until I have done quite a lot of susequent bidding, so I will do it now and hope to give someone else (hopefully the opposition) the problem. I ran a simulation on playbridge.com, and 5♣ is reasonable at other colours, but produced far too many bad results. Over 4♣, when we ran in to a nighmare scenario, they were sometimes dealt a 4M overcall on hands that would double if we opened five. And overcalling 4M sometimes got them in to trouble. Having said that, pass came out as the best option (as long as you don't play Drury and fit jumps), although that may be tainted by me crediting them with consistently rational decisions over the preemptive openings. The problem with 4♣ wasn't that it could be right to play in diamonds (it virtually never was), it's just that the deals were very freaky, and by going slow we could judge thing pretty well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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