Hanoi5 Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 The original question is: after (1x)-Pa-(Pa)-1NT, do you play Stayman, Transfer, etc? What about Pa-(1x)-Pa-(Pa)-1NT? Also, do you use the same range when balancing with 1NT over 1 of a minor than over 1 of a Major? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Our choice is: After balancing NT, no.After strong NT overcall in sandwich position, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Our choice is: After balancing NT, no.After strong NT overcall in sandwich position, no.why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 why?In sandwich position there's a very good chance responder has a yarborough or close to it and would like to be able to get out in 2♣ or 2♦. Not as sure about balancing position, but probably if you (direct over their 1-opening) have a decent hand with a five card suit you would have overcalled, so you either have a bad hand with a five card suit, or a bad or good balanced hand, or unbalanced but with their suit. With a bad hand with a five card suit, it may be clubs or diamonds so you'd like to be able to play there. With the good or bad balanced hand or good or bad hand with their suit, you're either going to raise the notrumps or pass so there's no problem there. And with a good hand and a four card major (perhaps missing the other major so you couldn't make a takeout double) you can always make a cuebid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Liking Quantumcat's thoughts about sandwich NT overcall. For Balancing 1NT overcall, we'd double rather than bid 1NT with both majors. So over 1 minor P-P-1N denies as good as 34 majors. We do not promise a stopper in their suit with balancing 1N. When holding 4=2 in majors over LHO's 1 Minor bid we bid 1N and parner can cuebid stayman to find 4-4 fit. No transfers allows us to play in 2 other minor. Not see much gain from transferring to 10-14 hand. (Think responding structure over opening 10-12 1NT). Over 1 Major-P-P we double with 10-14/6 and 4 cards in the other major. 1N here denies 4-cards in the OM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Our choice is: After balancing NT, no.After strong NT overcall in sandwich position, no. why?Quantumcat pretty much covered it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 After 1 ♦, ♥, ♠ openings or rebids and 1 NT from partner, I play 4 suit transfers, with transfer to their suit is stayman. Over 1 ♣ 1NT pass I play system on. The dwonside is: You cannot go out in 2 club. Upside: You rightside many contracts and you make invitational bidding easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Play 1C force opposite a passed partner - '3rd hand club'Now if 1NT wanted exploring, he'd have started 1C.Reopening 1NT:11-14 grabbitz-style with 2-bids to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowerline Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 The original question is: after (1x)-Pa-(Pa)-1NT, do you play Stayman, Transfer, etc? What about Pa-(1x)-Pa-(Pa)-1NT? Also, do you use the same range when balancing with 1NT over 1 of a minor than over 1 of a Major? I use the following rule: If they pass after our 1nt then system is on.So it does not matter whether 1nt was opened, overcalled or in balancing position. It matters what the next guy does. In balancing position: after their 1m opening the range is 11-14 but after their 1M opening the range is 11-16. Steven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shingkit Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Sorry. Wrong post. deleted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 In sandwich position there's a very good chance responder has a yarborough or close to it and would like to be able to get out in 2♣ or 2♦. Yes, do this too, but not after balancing because we play wide-ranging (to answer OP's other question), so we use strenght-defining rebids over 2♣, and also play transfers. Don't know if this is best; with the takeout doubles/overcalls/responses people make these days the balancing 1NT does not come up often enough for us to evaluate our methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 The original question is: after (1x)-Pa-(Pa)-1NT, do you play Stayman, Transfer, etc?Yes. What about Pa-(1x)-Pa-(Pa)-1NT?Why would I need Stayman when partner has shown a 2-suiter? Also, do you use the same range when balancing with 1NT over 1 of a minor than over 1 of a Major?Not quite. I would say my range is 11-14 over 1m and 11-16 over 1M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Why would I need Stayman when partner has shown a 2-suiter? Pass-1x-P-P-1NT shows 10-11 bal where I come from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Pass-1x-P-P-1NT shows 10-11 bal where I come from.I cannot imagine wanting to do that, but I don't come from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 I cannot imagine wanting to do that, but I don't come from there. It's only recommended for intermediate level and above. Perhaps 6-6 is more your thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 It's only recommended for intermediate level and above. Perhaps 6-6 is more your thing.Classy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 I cannot imagine wanting to do that, but I don't come from there. I do come from there, and I do not fancy it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 I do come from there, and I do not fancy it either.And apparently some people from there have manners, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 And apparently some people from there have manners, then. Yes, some do, honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 And apparently some people from there have manners, then. Vampyr does not come from where I ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 It's only recommended for intermediate level and above.I come from there too and even played it this way as a beginner. Before making intermediate I had learned better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 If opps open 1m playing five-card majors we could easily belong in their minor suit after 1m-p-p-1N, so playing the cuebid as natural has merits. Even though advancer will rarely have an invitational or stronger hand with a 5-card suit (he didn't overcall after all), transfers are still useful as it is important to get opener on lead. Some play bids below the cue as natural, cue through 2♥ as transfers, and 2♠ as stayman. This is a nice compromise between transfers and natural, but using 2♠ as stayman means that you can't manage as wide a range for the 1NT overcall as you would be able to do using 2♣ as stayman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 I come from there too and even played it this way as a beginner. Before making intermediate I had learned better. You mean you now do it with a good nine, I assume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 It's only recommended for intermediate level and above.[citation needed][weasel words][original research?] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 It's only recommended for intermediate level and above. In other words, these bids are for professionals. Don't try this at home! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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