Fluffy Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 ♠KQ64♥Q52♦J543♣94 All vul, Match points. partner deals and it goes: 1♠-(pass)-2♠*-(3♥)3♠-(4♥)-pass-(pass)double-(pass) 2♠ is a constructive raise (8-10 balanced typically) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 I'm not sure what he'd have for his double, because if he had some sort of game try he would have doubled instead of 3♠, and if he wanted to defend hearts you'd think he'd pass. I'll wait to see what others say :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 pass. And thank partner for them misguessing the heart Q if that happens later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 I'd marry pass, f--- compete, and kill pull. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu18772 Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Pass, not closehttp://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gifYu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Pass. Expect partner to be 5=2=3=3 / 5=2=42 likely Hx in ♥s and probably 14-16 HCP. No doubt about this decision. Yes pard would have possibly opened 1N if 5=2=3=3 and 15-16. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 I pass. I have the ♥Q, and although my spades are many I expect partner to hold tricks elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 If he is just bidding because he has extra values and is balanced(ish), why didn't he make a game try over 3♥? I don't think he can have this hand? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 I'll pull if I never want to play with this partner again. Mind you I should own him as an opponent for years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Pass. Somebody has done something silly. Why assume it is partner instead of the opponents? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 I am in love and in full agreement with all the replies so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcD Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 I understand pass but this is far from clear cut to me . My hand looks more like a 3♠ bid than a constructive 2♠ . I understand this is MP and partner may compete with a semi-balanced hand not worth a game try (otherwise dbl) and later is trying to protect our 140 but he is more likely to have a 6th trump or a two suiter with H shortage. Pass is sure to win the post mortem but I have a lot of sympathy for 4♠ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Partner did not expect many spade tricks for his double, he will expect our wasted spade honours, so he won't play us for two tricks anyway. I am so happy that he doubled... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Partner did not expect many spade tricks for his double, he will expect our wasted spade honours, so he won't play us for two tricks anyway. I am so happy that he doubled...Not me. I pull. I expect my partner to have a singleton heart and a good hand. My thin constructive raise contains no defensive tricks. It is possible that both games are down one. But I bet one game is making Rainer Herrmann 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 But I bet one game is making Rainer Herrmann We all predict that due to hand being posted in this forum. And i have a feeling we will find out that there was something wrong with either 3♠ bid or DBL or both at the end. I still replied ignoring this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 How about someone come up with a hand for partner that is consistent with him not doubling for a game-try, or passing because he wants to defend hearts, on the previous round? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 damn I messed with the poll, I wanted to put an option if someone would bid 4♠ before partner was able to double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 What about a pure hand with 3 tricks, like Axxxxx,xx,AKx,xx? He counts 3 tricks himself and I will have one or two for my constructive raise. He may need to protect his score in 3 ♠, it is mps.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 What about a pure hand with 3 tricks, like Axxxxx,xx,AKx,xx? He counts 3 tricks himself and I will have one or two for my constructive raise. He may need to protect his score in 3 ♠, it is mps....Alright, that satisfies me. I'm not very good at matchpoints - didn't think of something like that. The double is probably risk free since 4♥ making would surely be a bottom anyway :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 I'd marry pass, f--- compete, and kill pull. where did i hide my flack jacket?????????????????? If p has 4 tricks on defense and short hearts as expected it becomes VERY difficult for us to not make 4s. If p does not have 4 tricks fordefense it becomes very diffcult for us to beat 4h. All roads seem tolead to a 4s bid. I also echo marcd feeling this defenseless wonder looks a whole lotmore like a 3s preemptive raise than a 2s constructive raise. xxxxxx x AKx AKx can partner really be this good??? if so we might stillmake 4s maybe even x if rho misjudges and x becasue they have AJT spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 I think those who bids 4♠ expects their pd to hold 6 spades all the time and also thinks that a constructive 2 raise promises 2 tricks in defense, which i disagree. A 1 opener promises 2 tricks in defense in theory but even this was faded long time ago when people started to open very light. We did not make a limit raise, constructive or not we made a simple 2 raise. I am having hard time to understand the complaints about this hand being look like a preempt 3♠ more than 2♠ because it has no defense values. Since when we created a rule that says a constructive 2 raise should have 1 or 2 tricks in defense ? I also dont understand the prediction of pd having Axxxxx xx AKx xx. Really ? If you opponents bid 4♥ on 21 hcp and only 8 card fit, and they masterfully figured out the location of ♥Q even when the doubler is pd, what are we supposed to do ? Do you think 4♠ doubled or undoubled -1 or -2 will be a good score ? Just say weldone to your opponents and move on, they deserved it if thats the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 We all predict that due to hand being posted in this forum. And i have a feeling we will find out that there was something wrong with either 3♠ bid or DBL or both at the end. I still replied ignoring this.My motives are not the ulterior ones you seem to suspect. First there seem to be 18 total trumps. If there are as many tricks you will only gain if they divide 9-9. If there are more tricks passing the DBL is always wrong. Partner could have 6 spades. I use to tell my partner: If I have confirmed a fit and then double opponents in their fit my doubles are only a suggestion and never show a trump stack. This is one of my most important agreements, because this scenario is very common. I believe these DBL are left in far too quickly. Partner is simply showing more than a minimum opening hand with his double and uncertainty whether to bid on or defend. I do not like my hand for defense. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 My motives are not the ulterior ones you seem to suspect. First there seem to be 18 total trumps. If there are as many tricks you will only gain if they divide 9-9. If there are more tricks passing the DBL is always wrong. Partner could have 6 spades. I use to tell my partner: If I have confirmed a fit and then double opponents in their fit my doubles are only a suggestion and never show a trump stack. This is one of my most important agreements, because this scenario is very common. I believe these DBL are left in far too quickly. Partner is simply showing more than a minimum opening hand with his double and uncertainty whether to bid on or defend. I do not like my hand for defense. Rainer Herrmann Disagree with this. If partner had a hand that was uncertain whether he wanted to bid 4♠ to make, he would have make a game try. In fact, its certain that he does not want to bid 4♠ as an attempt to make, and that his double is a strong indication that he does NOT want me to save. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 I use to tell my partner: If I have confirmed a fit and then double opponents in their fit my doubles are only a suggestion and never show a trump stack. This is one of my most important agreements, because this scenario is very common. I believe these DBL are left in far too quickly. Partner is simply showing more than a minimum opening hand with his double and uncertainty whether to bid on or defend. I could live with that at IMPs, but at matchpoints you have to be able to make a penalty double in this type of sequence. What is partner supposed to do with something like AJxxxx x xxx AKx, where he thinks he was making 3♠, he doesn't think the opponents are making 4♥, and he has no interest in playing 4♠? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 I could live with that at IMPs, but at matchpoints you have to be able to make a penalty double in this type of sequence. What is partner supposed to do with something like AJxxxx x xxx AKx, where he thinks he was making 3♠, he doesn't think the opponents are making 4♥, and he has no interest in playing 4♠?I do not see where I disagree with you. You call it penalty I call it optional. But if you change ♣AK for the ♦AK where is your defense going? I agree with your double but I am pretty sure my partner does not have 4 defensive tricks on this bidding.Your hand is an example where both sides have 9 tricks. It is just too close for my liking. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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