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I'm not sure what he'd have for his double, because if he had some sort of game try he would have doubled instead of 3, and if he wanted to defend hearts you'd think he'd pass. I'll wait to see what others say :-)
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I understand pass but this is far from clear cut to me . My hand looks more like a 3 bid than a constructive 2 . I understand this is MP and partner may compete with a semi-balanced hand not worth a game try (otherwise dbl) and later is trying to protect our 140 but he is more likely to have a 6th trump or a two suiter with H shortage. Pass is sure to win the post mortem but I have a lot of sympathy for 4
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Partner did not expect many spade tricks for his double, he will expect our wasted spade honours, so he won't play us for two tricks anyway. I am so happy that he doubled...

Not me.

I pull. I expect my partner to have a singleton heart and a good hand. My thin constructive raise contains no defensive tricks.

It is possible that both games are down one.

But I bet one game is making

 

Rainer Herrmann

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But I bet one game is making

 

Rainer Herrmann

 

We all predict that due to hand being posted in this forum. And i have a feeling we will find out that there was something wrong with either 3 bid or DBL or both at the end.

 

I still replied ignoring this.

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What about a pure hand with 3 tricks, like Axxxxx,xx,AKx,xx? He counts 3 tricks himself and I will have one or two for my constructive raise. He may need to protect his score in 3 , it is mps....
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What about a pure hand with 3 tricks, like Axxxxx,xx,AKx,xx? He counts 3 tricks himself and I will have one or two for my constructive raise. He may need to protect his score in 3 , it is mps....

Alright, that satisfies me. I'm not very good at matchpoints - didn't think of something like that. The double is probably risk free since 4 making would surely be a bottom anyway :-)

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I'd marry pass, f--- compete, and kill pull.

 

where did i hide my flack jacket??????????????????

 

If p has 4 tricks on defense and short hearts as expected it becomes

VERY difficult for us to not make 4s. If p does not have 4 tricks for

defense it becomes very diffcult for us to beat 4h. All roads seem to

lead to a 4s bid.

 

 

I also echo marcd feeling this defenseless wonder looks a whole lot

more like a 3s preemptive raise than a 2s constructive raise.

 

xxxxxx x AKx AKx can partner really be this good??? if so we might still

make 4s maybe even x if rho misjudges and x becasue they have AJT spades.

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I think those who bids 4 expects their pd to hold 6 spades all the time and also thinks that a constructive 2 raise promises 2 tricks in defense, which i disagree.

 

A 1 opener promises 2 tricks in defense in theory but even this was faded long time ago when people started to open very light. We did not make a limit raise, constructive or not we made a simple 2 raise. I am having hard time to understand the complaints about this hand being look like a preempt 3 more than 2 because it has no defense values. Since when we created a rule that says a constructive 2 raise should have 1 or 2 tricks in defense ?

 

I also dont understand the prediction of pd having Axxxxx xx AKx xx. Really ? If you opponents bid 4 on 21 hcp and only 8 card fit, and they masterfully figured out the location of Q even when the doubler is pd, what are we supposed to do ? Do you think 4 doubled or undoubled -1 or -2 will be a good score ? Just say weldone to your opponents and move on, they deserved it if thats the case.

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We all predict that due to hand being posted in this forum. And i have a feeling we will find out that there was something wrong with either 3 bid or DBL or both at the end.

 

I still replied ignoring this.

My motives are not the ulterior ones you seem to suspect.

First there seem to be 18 total trumps. If there are as many tricks you will only gain if they divide 9-9. If there are more tricks passing the DBL is always wrong. Partner could have 6 spades.

I use to tell my partner:

If I have confirmed a fit and then double opponents in their fit my doubles are only a suggestion and never show a trump stack.

This is one of my most important agreements, because this scenario is very common.

I believe these DBL are left in far too quickly.

Partner is simply showing more than a minimum opening hand with his double and uncertainty whether to bid on or defend.

I do not like my hand for defense.

 

Rainer Herrmann

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My motives are not the ulterior ones you seem to suspect.

First there seem to be 18 total trumps. If there are as many tricks you will only gain if they divide 9-9. If there are more tricks passing the DBL is always wrong. Partner could have 6 spades.

I use to tell my partner:

If I have confirmed a fit and then double opponents in their fit my doubles are only a suggestion and never show a trump stack.

This is one of my most important agreements, because this scenario is very common.

I believe these DBL are left in far too quickly.

Partner is simply showing more than a minimum opening hand with his double and uncertainty whether to bid on or defend.

I do not like my hand for defense.

 

Rainer Herrmann

 

Disagree with this. If partner had a hand that was uncertain whether he wanted to bid 4 to make, he would have make a game try. In fact, its certain that he does not want to bid 4 as an attempt to make, and that his double is a strong indication that he does NOT want me to save.

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I use to tell my partner:

If I have confirmed a fit and then double opponents in their fit my doubles are only a suggestion and never show a trump stack.

This is one of my most important agreements, because this scenario is very common.

I believe these DBL are left in far too quickly.

Partner is simply showing more than a minimum opening hand with his double and uncertainty whether to bid on or defend.

I could live with that at IMPs, but at matchpoints you have to be able to make a penalty double in this type of sequence. What is partner supposed to do with something like AJxxxx x xxx AKx, where he thinks he was making 3, he doesn't think the opponents are making 4, and he has no interest in playing 4?

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I could live with that at IMPs, but at matchpoints you have to be able to make a penalty double in this type of sequence. What is partner supposed to do with something like AJxxxx x xxx AKx, where he thinks he was making 3, he doesn't think the opponents are making 4, and he has no interest in playing 4?

I do not see where I disagree with you. You call it penalty I call it optional. But if you change AK for the AK where is your defense going?

I agree with your double but I am pretty sure my partner does not have 4 defensive tricks on this bidding.

Your hand is an example where both sides have 9 tricks.

It is just too close for my liking.

 

Rainer Herrmann

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