Suicidal Gibs

[toastlots]

I have to start by saying that I have just spent 10 minutes drafting my thread and when I tried to use the spellchecker it wiped all my thread, thanks!!

 

So i will try to repeat this as accurately as I did on my first draft and will apologise in advance for any spelling errors as I cannot trust to use the spellchecker again.

 

I have been using the Gibs for some time now as they are useful practice and they are not rude, impolite, arrogant or unsociable, they are just computer players.

 

That aside, I have moaned on the forums before about Gibs and their strange ways, but I have now seen too many hands when they have deliberately thrown tricks and ultimately contracts.

 

I have wtinessed hands where it really is almost impossible to lose the contract, but my Gib partner has led the last card/suit one would ever imagine leading and has lost the trick and the contract. When checking the table scores, of course our table is at the bottom on its own with the worst score imaginable.

 

This has happend too many times to be a fluke.

 

Has anyone else experienced this before? Can anyone comfirm if maybe Gibs have been programmed deliberately to do this, perhaps to appear like us humans, fallable?

 

After all, I pay real money to use the Gibs and would expect some level of proficiency.

 

Thanks you (a slightly paranoid player!)

[uday]

GIBs do not do that deliberately.

 

They can make errors, though. It is always useful to me to be able to see hands like this, and it helps to know if it was MP or IMP or TotalPoints, and whether it was in a Tourney/MBC context.

 

We can sometimes understand why it makes the wrong play. And while we usually focus on the bidding, we do spend some resources on the play as well.

 

My email address is uday@

 

Uday

[toastlots]

Dear Uday

Thank you for that reply and I apologise for not responding sooner.

I always plays IMP pairs in non tournament play if that is helpful?

 

Sorry, but yet another GIB madness today.

 

Op GIBS had 2H contract.

OP during hand leads a club.

I have no clubs so i throw a diamond.

I have 4 hearts, but all under 10, so if ops get to draw trumps they are pretty mch useless really.

My GIB partner takes trick with Ace of clubs

Does he lead back with a club? No he does not.

Instead he leads with his King of spades (he has a couple more small spades to back this up with, but of course ops take it with their ace?

Sorry, maybe I am not clever enough to have spotted the logic in this lead?

Not only does my GIB partner not lead back a club so I can actually make good use of one of my small trumps, he throws his maybe only other chance himself of a trick by throwing the king of spades

Neadless to say after acing his king op gibs draw all my tumps and we get at least 1 maybe 2 less tricks than we could have done

I just dont get it!!

[toastlots]

Sorry forgot to mention in last post.

I threw a diamond on the club lead because my GIB partner had opened with 1 club (but I had nothing to respond with so I passed that)so I hoped he would be able to take the trick with ace or king.

[toastlots]

That's it I give up.

Think I will take up Poker or something else or just stop using GIBS.

Another hand, op gibs have contract.

I have 2 diamonds (although ofc my gib partner does not know that)

I lead diamonds and dummy has king with 2 others.

My partner has ace and queen.

He takes trick with ace over op king

Does he lead back with queen? No he does not and leads another suit.

Needless to say i never get the chance to use one of my pitiful low trumps to trump a diamond trick if only my partner had come back with queen of diamonds and then lead a 3rd diamond.

sighs.

[nathan2008]

Sorry forgot to mention in last post.

I threw a diamond on the club lead because my GIB partner had opened with 1 club (but I had nothing to respond with so I passed that)so I hoped he would be able to take the trick with ace or king.

 

1. please put the link here.

 

2. All make mistakes. Even top players bid grand slam without trump A... So just be a little tolerant with GIB. Anyway i also make many stupid mistakes, (go down many solid contrats) but GIB doesn't say a word :)

[Antrax]

FWIW, I often check hands where GIB refuses to give me my ruff and find out the ruff wouldn't have gained a trick. It's human-style to want to grab out tricks, but often when GIB infuriatingly refuses to cooperate with that, it doesn't lose (nor does it gain).

[nathan2008]

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ok.... make sure u are playing with advanced robot. even north returned a C for ruff, if he made the right finesse in S, it would still be +2...

 

BTW, north opened 1c, and u played DAK, i promise u that GIB will 100% find the right finesse in S.. GIB is very good at the calculation of HCP!!! Many times he will find my single K which many players will fail in.

[nathan2008]

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OK. I am sure that you are playing with basic robot :). Same bidding, but here north X 2H :). So i suggest u put more money or play robot duplicate 0.25, more enjoyable :).

[toastlots]

Thank you all for your replies.

Haha, yes agreed, if i make a mistake, my GIB partner never seems to moan at me.......teehee

However, the 2 hands I referred to, the ruff would have worked. But, I accept some others might not.

Oh, I honestly didnt know there were different levels of GIBS. I must have missed that, will check GIB hiring again.

Ah right, I will also try duplicate, see if that is less frustrating.

Thank you again, i will not give up just yet then:)

[Bbradley62]

However, the 2 hands I referred to, the ruff would have worked.

No. On Board 9 above, if North had given you a club ruff, he would not have won a natural club on Trick 13, so your side still gets exactly three tricks, assuming that East plays for the drop of the singleton ♥K, as he did against you.