mr1303 Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=sk642h8dak873cak6&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=1cp1hp2dp2sp3sp3np]133|200[/hv] This was our Precision based auction with natural responses. Should 3NT here be some sort of serious/frivolous response, or does it suggest the 2S was a fudge with not much else to bid, e.g. with AQx of spades? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 The fudge would only be relevant on something like 3523 with xxx club, right? I'd say 2S shows four but can see the argument that it shouldn't. If you agree that 2S can be three cards, then I suggest 3S and 3N are raises without and with club stops respectively, thus you wouldn't really need 3N over 3S as a desire to play. Although I guess that still falls down when you have xxx opposite xxxx in clubs or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 3NT is serious/frivolous. Just think of it as a normal standard 2/1 auction. I like to have the default rebid be your major so I would just always rebid 2♥ as responder if I was stuck (balanced with no club stopper). If your prefered style is to have 2NT be the default rebid then I don't like it so much but it's ok. However I don't know of anyone who would bid 1♥ p 2♦ p 2♠ on a three card suit, and this is a perfect example of why. Even if that was your style to rebid 2♠ on AQX here because you are worried about clubs, you wouldn't want to bid 3NT natural now. I mean think of the logic you would be using. I have xxx of some suit and I don't want to bid notrump so I make up another suit where I have strength. Partner shows length in that suit and NOW I want to bid the still-wrongsided notrump, having additionally told the opponents that I wasn't eager to bid it before? All of that is aside from the fact that serious/frivolous 3NT is pretty important here, given that both players are unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 3NT is to play here. 2S was 4th suit forcing, not natural and Sth showed his shape. Nth chose the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 2S was 4th suit forcing Fairly sure it wasn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 3NT is to play here. 2S was 4th suit forcing, not natural and Sth showed his shape. Nth chose the contract.I could make some sarcastic rude reply about not reading the original post since you just called me out on that, but instead I'll just recommend you read the original post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 How did I call you out as i did not even read your reply before posting? Don't be so sensitive. Did not see it was a Precision auction - too early in the morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 How did I call you out as i did not even read your reply before posting?It was probably one of the other 7891 posts where you were unnecessarily rude when replying to a post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Back to the topic: 2♠ as non natural makes not much sense, at least not undiscussed. And even discussed, I would like to have it natural, so 3 NT is not to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGF_Flame Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 This should be same as 1H-2D2S-3S 3NTin normal 2 over 1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Seems like responder showed 5♥-4♠ and opener showed 5♦-4♠, so I'd take it as serious/frivolous. This fancy stuff about bidding 2♠ on AQx is too far fetched imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 There's no reason to suspect that 2♠ wasn't natural (given that we are already in a GF). So, 3N can't be to play... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 My rule: if the fit may be 5-3 and at least one hand is limited, it is an offer to play. Otherwise it is serious/non-serious. I don't play strong club so don't have to decide what to do with one of a major in a strong club context, but I would probably choose to treat that as unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 It was probably one of the other 7891 posts where you were unnecessarily rude when replying to a post. Like your idiotic comment in this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted September 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Ignoring the argument here, partner held AQ98, K763, J7, Q53. She had misbid with the first response. 3nt wasn't in any difficulties but 4S was better, and 6S makes on the layout of the cards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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