HeartA Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 [hv=d=n&s=sqxxxhkqxxxdxcqjx]133|100|Scoring: IMPPartner opens 1♣:North East South West1♣ pass 1♥ pass1♠ pass 2♠ pass2NT pass ?[/hv]What kind of hands partner has when he bids 2NT? What would you bid as North? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 what's your nt range? i think partner is worried that you supported spades with 3 (taking a preference)... but he has a decent hand else he'd pass 2s on the supposed 4/3 fit... so i think he's 4234 and about 14 hcp (if 15-17 nt)... i think i'd go to 4s because my hand is way better than the bidding so far has shown... as a matter of fact, it has improved some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 [hv=d=n&s=sqxxxhkqxxxdxcqjx]133|100|Scoring: IMPPartner opens 1♣:North East South West1♣ pass 1♥ pass1♠ pass 2♠ pass2NT pass ?[/hv]What kind of hands partner has when he bids 2NT? What would you bid as North? Doesn't really matter.. you hand is golden. A singleton diamond, Great club support cards, real four card support, Good control in hearts. 2♠ was an underbid imho.... I probably would have splintered to 4♦ last time or at the very least bid 3♠. Now, great herds of buffalo will not stop me from making a splinter 4♦. Back to 2NT for a minute. Some people play this a "balanced hand", but come on, partner didn't open 1NT, and didn't rebid 2NT before. So if you play this, it is sort of meaningless. Others play it as a general force, to seek more information about responders hand. Do you ahve real three card support? Are you hidding club support? Is your hand suited for notrump with likely diamond lead through you? This is the way I like to play. But again, no matter which you play, come out of the bushes where you hide yourself with the weakkneed wishy-washy 2♠ and leap to 4♦. I just hope it is not too late and you miss your grandslam because of your initial underbid. Imagine partner with... ♠AKxx ♥Axx ♦Axx ♣Axx After your 2♠ raise, your partner will have great problem envisioning grand slam in spades (5♥, 4♠. 1♦. 1♣. 2♦ ruff or if need be, fall back on ♣ finessee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 2♠ is a big underbid. For a lot of good reasons, many are now treating the 1♠ rebid as a one round force (I'm coming around). 2♠ is almost a courtesy raise at this point. Catch up with 4♦. I wouldn't risk 3♣. 99% of 'club' players would bid 4♠ at this point. This is wrong; communicate to pard your hand, not just make an amorphous jump to game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 2♠ is a big underbid. For a lot of good reasons, many are now treating the 1♠ rebid as a one round force (I'm coming around). 2♠ is almost a courtesy raise at this point. Welcome to the dark side... yes 1♠ should be 1 round force and 2♠ should be a courtesy raise (hello xyz convention with soundish raise to two)..... But I assumed they were not playing xyz nor 1♠ as 1RF.... as so few have joined the dark side.... .er..... make that so many still bid "standard" (how come standard is so bad?). ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 is 3C forcing? 4D is a good choice. Or 3D cuebid. This hand is very good now, the bad news is that your hearts are likely to be wasteful cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 Depends on how you play 2N. You have a great hand cf Ben's comments above. If you can be sure that 3C is forcing, that would be my bid, else 4D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted November 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 what's your nt range? i think partner is worried that you supported spades with 3 (taking a preference)... but he has a decent hand else he'd pass 2s on the supposed 4/3 fit... so i think he's 4234 and about 14 hcp (if 15-17 nt)... i think i'd go to 4s because my hand is way better than the bidding so far has shown... as a matter of fact, it has improved some Luke, You got exactly what I had: ♠AK9x, ♥Tx, ♦KJx, ♣KT9x. Afraid of 3 support was exactly my concern, I told my partner after we finished this hand. My partner bid 3NT with that holding. We were cold on 4S, but set by 2 tricks on 3NT. I told my partner I would never bid 3NT with stiff on the only unbid suit. He argued that my 2NT meant weak in ♠ and AKJ in D and probably with 4=1=3=5 distribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 the question i answered concerned the bidding after opener's 2nt and what i thought it meant.. it has to mean something, and unlike ben i believe it does show a flattish hand unsuited for any other nt bid.. i'd have bypassed the spades, but that's just me (responder is strong enough to check back - actually he *has* to imo) the big surprise on this auction is that you bid again after responder's 2s... i'd have been tempted to pass, counting on responder for 7, 8 points... as you can see, he's worth upwards of 13 with the spade fit... after your actual 1s bid, i'd have splintered because of the so-called 'rule of 26' which states that if hcp outside the splinter suit plus the splinterer's supposed 13 (hcp + distribution) equals 26, slam has a play.. as you can see, opener's hand went down by a king after the splinter, so 4s is about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 The reason i think it is best not to be played as balanced, is balanced opposite either balanced (or weak) 2♠ is enough. The only reason game is good is 2♠ was monster underbid. 14hcp and balanced is not a reason to move over 2♠ here.... most especially if you play xyz convention. Add to this, i play 14-16 1NT,and partner will not be 14 balanced... or would have started 1nt.. so even 14 is out of the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted November 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 I was playing with a pick-up partner. Well, not really, we had played a few hundreds of boards. I kind of knew that he would under-bid a little for this kind of auction. So I decided to try again. We didn't have much convention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 "You got exactly what I had: ♠AK9x, ♥Tx, ♦KJx, ♣KT9x. Afraid of 3 support was exactly my concern," I would have passed a 2S response with that. You figure to have a good play. Anyway as others have pointed out, your partner's 2s bid is a massive underbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cf_John0 Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 [hv=d=n&s=sqxxxhkqxxxdxcqjx]133|100|Scoring: IMPPartner opens 1♣:North East South West1♣ pass 1♥ pass1♠ pass 2♠ pass2NT pass ?[/hv]What kind of hands partner has when he bids 2NT? What would you bid as North? IMO 2NT means 14~15 balanced hand as an option for his PD-3NT or 4S.Otherwise pass & 4S are better than 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Partner´s got a 4135 15-17 hand, we should had invited previous round to game, now partner invites... try a slam? 4♦ can´t hurt, but the 2NT bid suggests he will be having wasted values there so we will probably end on 4♠ anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aijianhua Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 i will bid 3C. partner's 2NT should be a game try, and my hand is perfectly good now. 3C would not be passed by my partner, since we have found our spade fit. I will raise to 4S if partner bid 3S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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