luke warm Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 meaning "I know most of us are biased but you haven't made up your mind yet, so please re-watch the debate with an eye out for the lukewarm biases."no, meaning "rewatch to see if you notice the things i did since you seem to be more objective than the rest of us" Many of us don't live in a black and white world. I, for one, don't find it difficult to accept that a terrorist attack can be triggered by a specific event.i don't find it difficutl to accept that the "trigger" can be a hatred of america and all it stands for anyway, let's stop this bickering and pull for a unified america under mitt romney, whatcha say? this should help... on twitter, go to #obama2012slogans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 "please re-watch the debate with an eye out for the lukewarm biases""rewatch to see if you notice the things i did" So which is it. Are you so closed minded that you think you are being misinterpreted even though your very next statement shows you were interpreted completely correctly? Or did you simply type "no" when you meant to type "yes"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PassedOut Posted October 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Amazon Binder reviews One Missing Bit of Information You Might Want To Know For any of you who might be considering, like me, purchasing this binder based on the reviews, let me just point out one glaring omission: While this is a lovely, multi-purpose binder, IT DOES NOT COME WITH WOMEN. Presumably one is expected to find women on one's own, or contact women's groups who are supposedly eager to help stock your empty binder with women. For a first time buyer like myself, I have to say I would rather have waited until I had accumulated a few women before investing in a binder. Just a little warning for prospective buyers. A presidential candidate's choice is the choice for me As a woman, I'm not adept at making decisions that concern me. So when I need the right choice, I turn to the presidential candidate that KNOWS. One with prideful experience in this department. I don't want to be filed away in an inferior & confusing electronic doohickey that I couldn't possibly understand. Or heaven forbid, have a man ask for & listen to my ideas! I'd much rather rely on this top of the line, 1980s style, Avery Durable binder. It's the choice America can trust. My education, my ideas, my opinions, my choices, please PLEASE keep them safely stored away here and far away from the men that might fear them (I mean, want to use them to hire me somedaynever). I'd write more about this most useful product, but it's time I hurry home to make dinner. Not as useful as the Trap Her, Keep Her Maybe it's just my women, but they don't seem to want to fit into the space I've designated for them in this binder. They keep sticking out over the edges, even getting away in some cases. I thought using clear, glass-ceiling page protectors would help, but it doesn't seem to slow them down anymore. I'm going to have to resort to more severe three-hole punching, to keep my women in line. And maybe switch to the Trap Her, Keep Her.Sales are through the roof. B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 is @hardball_chris really this stupid? “I don’t think [Romney] understands the Constitution of the United States,” Matthews said. “He’s the president of the United States. You don’t say, ‘You’ll get your chance.’” the more people who actually watch msdnc (and there aren't many), the better for romney Are you so closed minded that you think you are being misinterpreted even though your very next statement shows you were interpreted completely correctly?it simply means that i don't accept your characterization of my views as biased... yours are, of course, but mine aren't :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 I think Republicans should keep whining about the moderator inappropriately injecting herself to fact-check Romney during the debate. They should keep reminding all voters that Obama called it an "act of terror", and not a "terrorist attack", that this is a very important distinction, and that it's a great showcase for the superiority of Republican foreign policy ideas. I am sure that will convince all undecided voters, and they can start working on their transition team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwar0123 Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 I think Republicans should keep whining about the moderator inappropriately injecting herself to fact-check Romney during the debate. They should keep reminding all voters that Obama called it an "act of terror", and not a "terrorist attack", that this is a very important distinction, and that it's a great showcase for the superiority of Republican foreign policy ideas. I am sure that will convince all undecided voters, and they can start working on their transition team.I bet lukewarm thinks you're his friend now :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiros Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Amazon Binder reviews Sales are through the roof. B-) Trap Her, Keep Her? I hardly know her! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 I bet lukewarm thinks you're his friend now :)no, but i do sorta like that transition team thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 The election may come down to how threaten women, gays and minorities and the 47% feel if Republicans take over. If people feel their rights will be trampled on, Romney does not have a chance. Again wierd that Republicans used to stand for freedom, not stopping freedom. Now as I read they want to wage war on women and put women in binders, take away womens rights and stop them from equal pay. It seems wierd the Republicans basically target the top 1% or so of the population-- Republican Party should be showing how under their government, women, hispanics, blacks and gays will have more freedom and what that greater freedom will mean. Not how they will be richer or have more stuff.....just more freedom and more opportunity... Let the Democrats offer more stuff and say the other party wants to leave people dying in the streets without food, shelter or healthcare....Not that Republicans want to take away your freedom. Of course there are real world tradeoffs between freedom and security, trade offs between competing rights and that is ok.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Republican Party should be showing how under their government, women, <snip> will have more freedom and what that greater freedom will mean.I look forward to hearing Republicans stand up and say how they will increase the freedom of choice for women in deciding if they want to terminate a pregnancy or not. No doubt there are millions of quotes to be had from the period where they were claiming to be the party of choice and freedom. One should point out that governments in countries such as China, The Congo, Tibet, The Ukraine and Russia also all claim to be parties of freedom. So by this measure the Republican claim cannot be said to be false in any way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I look forward to hearing Republicans stand up and say how they will increase the freedom of choice for women in deciding if they want to terminate a pregnancy or not. So this is a little ironic, as the recent (2011) Gallup Poll found that americans are finally united in wanting to make abortion illegal in the second trimester except for the usual exceptions. This is supported by 90% of self labelled pro-lifers and 52% of self labelled pro-choicers for a strong overall majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I wish the smart, intellectually honest people who post here would use better judgment before reflexively replying to people who have no interest in understanding other points of view. This is such a waste of time and energy. Please stop doing this ... for the good of the water cooler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I wish the smart, intellectually honest people who post here would use better judgment before reflexively replying to people who have no interest in understanding other points of view. This is such a waste of time and energy. Please stop doing this ... for the good of the water cooler.when you combine "smart, intellectually honest people" with people who want to understand other points of view, you make a compelling case... thread may as well be closed if those are the only two criteria used Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 when you combine "smart, intellectually honest people" with people who want to understand other points of view, you make a compelling case... thread may as well be closed if those are the only two criteria used I feel obliged to point out that "other points of view" is not synonymous with "Luke Warm's point of view".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I feel obliged to point out that "other points of view" is not synonymous with "Luke Warm's point of view"....i feel obligated to point out, right back atcha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 i feel obligated to point out, right back atcha No doubt... Here's the difference: I'm not the "joke" on this board.I'm not the one who has people laughing about their (serious) posts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Nate Silver has Obama back over 70% to win, skyrocketing up 5% from a day earlier. I think (?) that is based on new polls that came out of Iowa and Wisconsin showing Obama with leads in those states. It's clear his slide from after the first debate has ended. http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/?8qa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PassedOut Posted October 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Nate Silver has Obama back over 70% to win, skyrocketing up 5% from a day earlier. I think (?) that is based on new polls that came out of Iowa and Wisconsin showing Obama with leads in those states. It's clear his slide from after the first debate has ended.I found Nate's comments about the Gallup poll interesting also. The Gallup results seemed puzzling until I saw that Gallup has Romney ahead by 22 points in the South, but trailing by 4-6 points everywhere else. Could be an argument in favor of the electoral college vs. straight popular vote. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 It seems wierd the Republicans basically target the top 1% or so of the population Weirder still is that about 40% of non-1% U.S. population is too stupid to understand this and votes GOP anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 It is often said, here and elsewhere, that debates do not change votes. I am not so sure that this is so, but even if that is granted I am thinking that debates can focus the collective mind of the country on matters of importance. The third debate is to be on foreign policy, and it seems to me that we are desperately in need of some serious thinking here. Let me pose a point perhaps provocatively. The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor a little before my third birthday. We went to war against a clearly defined enemy and our objectives were clear. Then there was the long cold war against the Soviet Union (allied with China for part of it). More complex, but still comprehensible. But now? Does anyone understand just what our policy, our plans, our objectives are in the Middle East? We want access to oil, I get that part. And certainly we do not want people flying hijacked planes into our buildings.But what else? As near as I can tell, the peoples of the Middle East plan to go on killing each other until they are all dead. I have no idea how to distinguish an Alewite from a Shiite or either one from a Sunni. I'm not sure why I should. I can't distinguish a Lutheran from a Baptist either, but they aer no longer killing each other. Can we, should we, somehow extract ourselves from all of this? I can't see that getting mired in a conflict that shows no sign of ever ending can be in our interest. The idea that they will be ever so grateful for our intervention does not seem to hold up very well. Perhaps the candidates will address this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I found Nate's comments about the Gallup poll interesting also. The Gallup results seemed puzzling until I saw that Gallup has Romney ahead by 22 points in the South, but trailing by 4-6 points everywhere else. Could be an argument in favor of the electoral college vs. straight popular vote. :) The following chart may be of interest http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/blog_white_working_class_romney_obama.jpg Taken from: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/09/most-country-white-working-class-likes-president-obama-just-fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I found Nate's comments about the Gallup poll interesting also. The Gallup results seemed puzzling until I saw that Gallup has Romney ahead by 22 points in the South, but trailing by 4-6 points everywhere else. Could be an argument in favor of the electoral college vs. straight popular vote. :)Interesting... [Gallup's] results are deeply inconsistent with the results that other polling firms are showing in the presidential race, and the Gallup poll has a history of performing very poorly when that is the case....The context is that [Gallup's] most recent results differ substantially from the dozens of other state and national polls about the campaign. It’s much more likely that Gallup is wrong and everyone else is right than the other way around. i take solace that nobody has been abouve 50% in a gallup poll in october and lost the election, and romney is at 51%... barring some major as yet unknown development, i'll stick w/ my prediction of a romney landslideWell, everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion! But I'll go with Nate on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Can we, should we, somehow extract ourselves from all of this? I can't see that getting mired in a conflict that shows no sign of ever ending can be in our interest. The idea that they will be ever so grateful for our intervention does not seem to hold up very well. Perhaps the candidates will address this?i can sympathize with that sentiment... i don't think we can completely abandon israel to that environment, though... i also think that part of our presence has to do with the impossibility of preventing further attacks here w/out gathering intel there... we could also save a bunch of money if we only gave to countries that don't actively hate us (though that number seems to be shrinking) i take solace that nobody has been abouve 50% in a gallup poll in october and lost the election, and romney is at 51%... barring some major as yet unknown development, i'll stick w/ my prediction of a romney landslide Well, everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion! But I'll go with Nate on this onei guess time will tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PassedOut Posted October 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Jack Welch might blow a gasket: In U.S., Unadjusted Unemployment at 7.3% in Mid-October WASHINGTON, D.C. -- U.S. unemployment, as measured by Gallup without seasonal adjustment, is 7.3% in mid-October, down considerably from 7.9% at the end of September and at a new low since Gallup began collecting employment data in January 2010. Gallup's seasonally adjusted unemployment rate is 7.7%, also down from September. October's adjusted mid-month measure is also more than a percentage point lower than October 2011.Wonder if the Gallup cheerleaders will wave their pom-poms for this report! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Wonder if the Gallup cheerleaders will wave their pom-poms for this report! :)speaking of polls, realclear has romney ahead electorally for the first time (map) and the examiner even has him ahead in PA (which i predicted, just not this early or by this much)... rasmussen has him up by 3 in VA, and by 5 in florida... oh, and i don't think you should count MI for obama quite yet... or WI, or MN, or IA, or NH don't know what to say about the gallup, except 6% is 6% yep, bad news for obama if those hold... 'course, it's possible the FL, PA, & VA polls are what they are because someone over counted the southern states, but i doubt it seriously though, i don't think this is over yet... being the political savant that i am, i foresee one, maybe two, october surprises still to come... the easy one is drones taking out the libyan murderers (you know, the ones pissed about a video)... the tough one is obama getting iran to stop enriching in exchange for the easing of sanctions... i don't recall how many electoral votes iran has, but that should help obama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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