andrei Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 w/r, IMP, first seat [hv=pc=n&s=s7hdakqj52caj7542&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=1d1sp2s]133|200[/hv] 1. How many clubs would you bid now? 2. If you bid 5C, and it goes (5S) - p - (p), what now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 1. I try 6 ♣ at once, I bet they have game, so this will hardly be too expensive, maybe it even makes. 2. I try 6 ♣ now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Am not a big fan of big jumps with such uncertain trick-taking potential in one of my suits. But I also don't have a lot of experience against 1-2-5 sequences by vulnerable opponents; so, who knows? Maybe this is one of those situations where if we give them and partner a bit more room things will go in our favor; and maybe not. 4C might be just the right amount to allow partner to make the right decision and/or the Opps to go wrong; and maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Is this what a 4NT opening is supposed to look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Is this what a 4NT opening is supposed to look like?I believe it might be, for some folks. These threads have suggested it is a specific ace-ask or just plain Wood for a lot of pairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu18772 Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 I would open 4NT, but given the auction I think you should bid as many clubs as you decide to compete to. Personally, I prefer 6♣ now.http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gifYu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate22 Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 although with some partners i use 4n/t as ace ask. but what about a 2cl opener-assuming that we play 2d AUTO,unless pard has a good suit {Quality) not 6 card suit to KJ. regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 I cannot find the words to describe the virtues of opening the hand 2C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 How about 3♣ now? It's not going to die there, and if I bid it more slowly, I might have a better chance to buy it doubled at the 4 or 5 level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 It's pretty hard to construct a hand consistent with the bidding so far. LHO makes a simple overcall. RHO makes a minimum raise. What the heck is going on? I vote to go slowly with 3♣. I am happy to let them find their double fit because I think that will lure them to destruction. I don't want to jump to 5♣ and it to go all pass. If partner continues to show no sign of life I plan to bid 5♣ in due course and then start doubling. If I catch a raise, I will still just bid 5♣ in an attempt to catch a bite. Yum, yum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 I cannot find the words to describe the virtues of opening the hand 2C. I too am lost for words. By the way, I bid 5C now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 I think bidding more diamonds, while operating to some extent, is a good alternative here. Our suit does rate to play for no loser and any club length/values partner has won't be wasted. That said, I would hope 4♣ is strong and forcing and so I'd bid that. I'm not worried about being outbid since I'll bid to the 5 level on my own. If 4♣ isn't strong and forcing 5♣ seems best. It's not unreasonable for 3♣ to get left in (partner has Kxxx, KJxxxx, x, xx, for example, there may not be any more bids coming) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 (partner has Kxxx, KJxxxx, x, xx, for example, there may not be any more bids coming)You mean partner is sitting in for someone who got ill after failing to double the 1♠ overcall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 It's not unreasonable for 3♣ to get left in (partner has Kxxx, KJxxxx, x, xx, for example, there may not be any more bids coming) We probably belong in 2NT opposite the hand you give, but even that could be too high. 3♣ should produce a nice safe little plus score! Seriously though, I'm getting a bit worried that partner is 45+ in the majors since it fits in pretty well with the (lack of) auction to date, so jumping to 4♣ and doubling next round to involve partner looks pretty rational. 4♣ definitely isn't forcing, but if it goes all pass, although we could have missed game, it's not a given. I would pass a correction to 4♦, since partner's expected number of minor suit cards goes down even further when West does not bid 4♥/4♠ - I'm now expecting a hand a bit like the one you give (4621), only somewhat weaker. Just assuming 5m will be on and trying to get doubled may well backfire pretty badly. After all, isn't this the section basically devoted to misfit hands? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate22 Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 apols miss read the question 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 You’re never going to win a decent fight against the majors. This hand is intent on forcing to game in either minor. If you can’t stomach a 2♣ opener, then how about trying to sow some confusion into the bidding through opening a Multi 2♦? When the dust settles (partner assuming a massive ♥ fit after the opponents keep on raising the ante in the ♠ suit) you may easily find yourself forced to level 6 anyway as a number of posters have already suggested. A Multi opening could be lots of fun (and yes I still absolutely loathe the Multi, but hey, if it’s part of your agreement and you can create some havoc, then why not?) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Why do you want to psyche a multi when you don't need that much to make slam.... I'll bid 5C then pass 5S. We could easily just be winning our 2 aces or 2 diamonds and a heart trick in partner's hand (or a ruff if partner finds an inspired lead from Kxxx in hearts and out or something) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorKid Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 On this hand i would rather go very slowly, as a plus score is what i am just looking for, which should already give average plus score. I would try 3♣. If partner raise i am pretty sure it is based on a 4+ support that gives >50% chance for 6♣.Else, I will pull partner's 3♥/3NT or opponent's bid to lowest ♣. If partner give preference to ♦ i think 5♦ is a good spot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Can't see the benefit of playing clubs over diamonds, perhaps if partner has ♠KJxx ♥KQ10xx ♦x ♣xxx we can get to dummy by ruffing a diamond, but other than that diamonds are equal or better. I think 6♦ is a better bid, I'd try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 You mean partner is sitting in for someone who got ill after failing to double the 1♠ overcall? Ugh yes that's a neg X, as is fluffy's example hand. Idk then, make it all that much weaker and there's increased likelihood they compete to 3♠ so a passout of 3♣ is less probable. Maybe if we make partner's hand more quacky he won't X. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 I'm bidding 5 ♣. Partner should interpret it as about exactly the hand that is held -- a 6-6 minor hand. At IMPs, I take the insurance policy against 5 ♠ and bid 6 ♣. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorKid Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 I'm bidding 5 ♣. Partner should interpret it as about exactly the hand that is held -- a 6-6 minor hand. At IMPs, I take the insurance policy against 5 ♠ and bid 6 ♣. IMO after 1♦ (1♠) Pass (2♠) 5♣ (5♠) it is up to your partner to decide. If he had chosen to Pass then pass is better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 w/r, IMP, first seat [hv=pc=n&s=s7hdakqj52caj7542&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=1d1sp2s]133|200[/hv] 1. How many clubs would you bid now? 2. If you bid 5C, and it goes (5S) - p - (p), what now? Kindly post the full hand for me please. I'd like to see the full layout. Thank you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrei Posted September 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 spots approximate [hv=pc=n&s=s7hdakqj64caj7532&w=saqjt653ha85d72ck&n=s82hqt7632d98ct84&e=sk94hkj94dt53cq96&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=1d1sp2s6cppp]399|300[/hv] this was not a success. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 No surprise that 6C worked out badly. It was a poor bid that does not allow partner to exercise any judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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